Murder!! or not?

[Tosk]

Murder is unlawful deliberately intended killing. It was both lawful and just to perform the operation to restore Tuvok and Neelix. Janeway acted within her authority, and the whole crew agreed that she did.

Oh, if the crew agreed, then that's okay.

If Chakotay and Paris both needed a transplant to live, and Kim had to die to make that happen, do you think Janeway would do it?

Edit: I realize I'm not actually arguing the definition of murder there, just thinking "out loud".

 

[Gov Kodos]

Murder is unlawful deliberately intended killing. It was both lawful and just to perform the operation to restore Tuvok and Neelix. Janeway acted within her authority, and the whole crew agreed that she did.

Oh, if the crew agreed, then that's okay.

If Chakotay and Paris both needed a transplant to live, and Kim had to die to make that happen, do you think Janeway would do it?

Edit: I realize I'm not actually arguing the definition of murder there, just thinking "out loud".

Are you sure Harry is the best choice for this example?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Murder is unlawful deliberately intended killing. It was both lawful and just to perform the operation to restore Tuvok and Neelix. Janeway acted within her authority, and the whole crew agreed that she did.

Oh, if the crew agreed, then that's okay.

Not per se what I said.

 

[Tosk]

Are you sure Harry is the best choice for this example?

I knew someone would say that, but I needed three humans plus Janeway. He's gotta go somewhere.

Not per se what I said.

I was just mocking the extraneous point. Nothing serious.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It wasn't a good example because Kim was a Spacial Scission accident from three episodes earlier?

Regular law did not apply to the murdering or not murdering of Harry Kim after Deadlock.

Starfleet Regulations and Federation Law only apply inside the Federation or on Starfleet ships... What "Law" was governing Neelix's ship? if you consider the possibility that Neelix's ship was a sovereign vessel of Talaxia, that it had Talaxian Embassy status while it was berthed inside Voyager?

Hell.

If he just got off the ship in a shuttle, Federation law does not apply how many inches past it's navigation shields and it's doubtful that whoever decides law where ever they are, if there is law, will recognize that the Federation owns that Shuttle more so than Tuvix does since they can't legally prove ownership, even if they can imperially because foreign paperwork is meaningless gobblegook.

I mean if that held, then the Borg could legally subpoena all the hardware still in Seven's body to be returned to them in some sort of Merchant of Venice lark episode.

"But wait a moment. There’s something else. This contract doesn’t give you any blood at all. The words expressly specify “a pound of flesh.” So take your penalty of a pound of flesh, but if you shed one drop of Christian blood when you cut it, the state of Venice will confiscate your land and property under Venetian law."

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Murder is unlawful deliberately intended killing. It was both lawful and just to perform the operation to restore Tuvok and Neelix. Janeway acted within her authority, and the whole crew agreed that she did.

Oh, if the crew agreed, then that's okay.

If Chakotay and Paris both needed a transplant to live, and Kim had to die to make that happen, do you think Janeway would do it?

Edit: I realize I'm not actually arguing the definition of murder there, just thinking "out loud".

Are you sure Harry is the best choice for this example?

Harry is everybody's whipping boy. He's tortured by an emulated clown, he's cheated on by a hologram lady with Tuvok, a bunch of girls want to suck him dry, seven wants to rape him... against his will!!!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

He liked the sucking though.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

He liked the sucking though.

He fled that place!

 

[Guy Gardener]

He liked the sucking and kissing when he only thought that they were his siblings and cousins, but they made the mistake of stopping the kissing and sucking, to alert him to the fact that he was food, before they tried again to force him into a new state of submission.

That weird behaviour is right up there with "Wake up, it's time for your sleeping pill."

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

He liked the sucking and kissing when he only thought that they were his siblings and cousins, but they made the mistake of stopping the kissing and sucking, to alert him to the fact that he was food, before they tried again to force him into a new state of submission.

That weird behaviour is right up there with "Wake up, it's time for your sleeping pill."

A red head hit him with a giant stick!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I bet he liked that part especially. Red heads.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The blond at the back was better.

Kristina Loken.

Oh look she did an episode of Sliders too!

(So many horrible choices.)

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I bet he liked that part especially. Red heads.

She looked angry too. Did you see that look?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Why are you trying to make me watch it again? WHY?

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

The blond at the back was better.

Kristina Loken.

Oh look she did an episode of Sliders too!

(So many horrible choices.)

Someday, I am gonna give that series another chance. I sure was enticed by the first few episodes though. The bearded professor is the actor who plays Leonardo Da Vinci on Voyager.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Why are you trying to make me watch it again? WHY?

It's not the worst Voyager episode. That award belongs to Threshold.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Don't you diss Threshold or you may incur my Why I Love Threshold essay.

I have no problem with Favorite Son, thought it was a cool premise.

 

[Lynx]

Murder? Not!

Janeway corrected what was the reseult of a transporter accident and brought Tuvok and Neelix back to normal.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The blond at the back was better.

Kristina Loken.

Oh look she did an episode of Sliders too!

(So many horrible choices.)

Someday, I am gonna give that series another chance. I sure was enticed by the first few episodes though. The bearded professor is the actor who plays Leonardo Da Vinci on Voyager.

John Rhys-Davies was one of the principles in Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. On that alone, nothing can stop him from working if he wants to work.

Cou-LORDOFTHERINGS-gh!

 

[BillJ]

Did Janeway murder Tuvix? Yup. Was it the right thing to do? Yup.