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Rumor-- Unaltered Star Wars OT coming on Blu-Ray?

Which version would you pick ? The original I saw at the cinema in 1977 had sensurround and an interval (really !). Later versions obviously changed the title card/crawl adding 'A New Hope'. I don't know if there were any other changes.

What the hell is an "interval"? If you mean "interlude", that must be something the theatre you saw it in added. There was no interlude in the showings I saw.
 
I believe that technically an interlude would be like an intermission. An overture is music at the beginning. Star Trek: TMP had an overture, as did 2001 (which also had an intermission).

No way did Star Wars have an intermission. I vaguely remember seeing Star Wars with the soundtrack music playing at the beginning while the lights were still on, but I can't be sure. That wouldn't have been an overture, though, just a separate tape playing.
 
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Which version would you pick ? The original I saw at the cinema in 1977 had sensurround and an interval (really !). Later versions obviously changed the title card/crawl adding 'A New Hope'. I don't know if there were any other changes.

What the hell is an "interval"? If you mean "interlude", that must be something the theatre you saw it in added. There was no interlude in the showings I saw.

I'd say an interval and an interlude are pretty interchangeable terms. It certainly had one the first few times I saw it at the cinema.

I presumed it was intended that way and was removed sometime before it was rereleased as A New Hope.

It's only a gap between reels I suppose...
 
Which version would you pick ? The original I saw at the cinema in 1977 had sensurround and an interval (really !). Later versions obviously changed the title card/crawl adding 'A New Hope'. I don't know if there were any other changes.

What the hell is an "interval"? If you mean "interlude", that must be something the theatre you saw it in added. There was no interlude in the showings I saw.

I'd say an interval and an interlude are pretty interchangeable terms. It certainly had one the first few times I saw it at the cinema.

I presumed it was intended that way and was removed sometime before it was rereleased as A New Hope.

It's only a gap between reels I suppose...


Nope, the movie has never had an interlude. You just had a crappy theatre.
 
What the hell is an "interval"? If you mean "interlude", that must be something the theatre you saw it in added. There was no interlude in the showings I saw.

I'd say an interval and an interlude are pretty interchangeable terms. It certainly had one the first few times I saw it at the cinema.

I presumed it was intended that way and was removed sometime before it was rereleased as A New Hope.

It's only a gap between reels I suppose...


Nope, the movie has never had an interlude. You just had a crappy theatre.

Maybe, but they did run it through the sensurround gear. When the Star Destroyer came in overhead, the whole friggin' cinema shook !

I was always a little let down that later releases didn't do that...
 
I believe the rumor. A company that does film restoration recently put up a promo reel for their work and it contains SW shots that seem to have their original color-timing rather than the "questionable" version on the current Blu-rays.

https://vimeo.com/95919913

That would be the greatest news I heard in a long time. Some while ago I gave my Japanese "Star Wars" LaserDisc a spin.

I couldn't believe the vibrant, natural and convincing colors I saw there (despite the low SD resolution), looked like a completely different film.

If they truly go for a correct remaster, they could just do split screen comparisons (as they did for TNG-R) between the accurate, original color-timing remaster and the "questionable" color-timing of the S.E. Blu-ray release.

I think already that would be such an eye-opener that many people would buy the OT again on Blu-ray - and regardless whether it's the Special Edition or the original theatrical one... ;)

Bob
 
I don't want a 'warts and all' version like the DVD's, I want a restored and remastered version with surround sound and any inferior effects upgraded. I just don't want any scenes changed, characters added, new scenes inserted etc.

I would like the best possible version of the original movie.

If the effects are changed, it's not the original movie.

If originally you could only achieve a 'fudge' that you might not notice in passing, and now you could redo it to look great in HD without otherwise changing the scene, why not ?

Because it wouldn't be the same movie. If someone wants to make an "enhanced but otherwise original" version, OK, but people should have the option of seeing the film that made history the way it was when it made history.

Maybe, but they did run it through the sensurround gear. When the Star Destroyer came in overhead, the whole friggin' cinema shook !

I'm not sure about that, I think specific control information for the Senusrround system had to be built in to the optical audio track. Which Star Wars, not being a Universal production, would not have.

Definitely no intermission in Star Wars. The first movie I saw with an intermission was Gandhi in 1982, and I remember it well because I didn't know what you were supposed to do.
 
Just in regards to the whole intermission/no intermission thing...

I was in India and went to see the adaptation of the A-Team. They totally put in an intermission. Stopped the film--in the middle of an action sequence no less... and threw up the worlds: intermission.

So, while Star Wars wasn't designed to have an intermission, and I have no memory of my theaters doing it... maybe for that one poster, his movie theater did.
 
In France they also "created" intermissions. I remember seeing "L'Empire Contre-Attaque" (EMPIRE) in 1980, after Luke had vanished into the magic tree on Dagobah there was a 20 minute intermission (apparently they abused the film roll change for that).

Bob
 
While I respect Lucas very much as a Creator, I dig the prequels, and support his right to modify his films any way he sees fit -

the fact that the Library of Congress has yet to receive a copy of Star Wars , and probably never will, is unfortunate and unsettling. It suggests his constant edits have destroyed the original film. (Star Wars trilogy was edited for every video release, to some extent, and only the original film that received the Oscar is admissible)

I have started viewing Harmy's DESPECIALIZED editions, and I have to say, if you're an old Grog like me you will appreciate these. What an amazing effort. It's not "easy" to acquire them, but nor is it hard. Anyone who ever wielded a C64 will find it a walk in the park. It is well worth the effort. 720p, color-corrected to the original palettes, and painstakingly restored to as close to original condition as you're going to find, at present. You'd be amazed how many little changes were made even before the SE.

This doesn't mean I hate the SE's - I don't - I have purchased the trilogy many times, and enjoy the process and journey of it all.

If you see news of an original print of the films reaching the LoC, you can expect an official Blu-Ray release. Until then, I believe all speculation will be fruitless.
 
There are now 4k restorations of the originals, using only 35mm film.
good news, then. My plasma TV is only 720p! But it looks great, and maybe its bias, but it seems like legacy 480p material looks better on that screen than on a higher-resolution, more modern screen.
Cheers
 
good news, then. My plasma TV is only 720p! But it looks great, and maybe its bias, but it seems like legacy 480p material looks better on that screen than on a higher-resolution, more modern screen.
Cheers
Depends on the upscale tech the TV uses.
 
If they're now making cheap cartoons with the original soundtrack but gutting it and making into a new hopeless narrative out of context, then it's safe to say the original releases, lack of "Episode IV" subtitle and all, will never come out.

IMHO, if there's something worthy to add, do it. TESB replaced the Emperor scenes, nicely for the most part. TLJ and ANH, not so much- apart from "Star Wars" being re-released as "Episode IV, A New Hope". The three also had various other edits, some better than others and some were just not needed. Or took characters out of context, the most glaring one is Han - who's supposed to be a scoundrel that becomes nice over time thanks to learning from Luke and Leia. Now he ("slides") across while Greedo shoots his laser - does Han have the force now, moving at the speed of light? But that's okay, as we have rhetoric like "The new sequels are stupid because Leia can fly and never used the power before and this and that" and that's supposed to get fans to believe that a lot of equally daft (or even far more daft) mistakes were in the originals, or added to them in the constant changes Lucas made. On top of the prequels and other issues.

Indeed, TLJ had some deleted scenes that explained a lot. A special edition can have those put back in, bits added, bits removed... problems solved. Lucas set the precedent the moment "Episode IV" became the rechristening, and was he really wrong? If so, then is the franchise better off if TESB was never made? (Well, ROTJ was fairly hollow, as was TFA but they were in the right place at the right time and at least TFA had character archetypes to make up for plot cannibalism.)
 
good news, then. My plasma TV is only 720p! But it looks great, and maybe its bias, but it seems like legacy 480p material looks better on that screen than on a higher-resolution, more modern screen.
Cheers

Due to inversion, which is not always the best reason to explain perceived higher quality from older technology. I'll explain: 480i (since 480p is impossible on a low-resolution phosphor-based, two fields/frame interlaced CRT.) A CRT whose phosphors are so elephant-hind big (roughly 0.30~0.51mm dot pitch or so, given size of CRT and other factors) that you'd never see anything approaching the seams of sets, etc... And a 36" CRT weighed a couple hundred pounds, try lifting that around unlike the 38lb 50" LCD set. :D

Most LCD sets have dot pitch of .20-.27mm, give or take. More dots = more density = more room for detail.

At least CRTs still have better color gamut. At least the ones that haven't passed their half-life yet.
 
At least CRTs still have better color gamut. At least the ones that haven't passed their half-life yet.
I wouldn't know for certain, but photos and video are my plasma TV's strength.
The specs say it is indeed a 720p/1080i screen, but perhaps there is some marketing hoodoo there I don't know about.
All I can tell you is the color reproduction does remind me of my old 21" CRT, which was a very high-rez, professional monitor I found secondhand and ran until it died.

It's a handmedown, and I'm happy to have it.

Thanks for the info!
 
While I respect Lucas very much as a Creator, I dig the prequels, and support his right to modify his films any way he sees fit -

the fact that the Library of Congress has yet to receive a copy of Star Wars , and probably never will, is unfortunate and unsettling. It suggests his constant edits have destroyed the original film. (Star Wars trilogy was edited for every video release, to some extent, and only the original film that received the Oscar is admissible)

I have started viewing Harmy's DESPECIALIZED editions, and I have to say, if you're an old Grog like me you will appreciate these. What an amazing effort. It's not "easy" to acquire them, but nor is it hard. Anyone who ever wielded a C64 will find it a walk in the park. It is well worth the effort. 720p, color-corrected to the original palettes, and painstakingly restored to as close to original condition as you're going to find, at present. You'd be amazed how many little changes were made even before the SE.

This doesn't mean I hate the SE's - I don't - I have purchased the trilogy many times, and enjoy the process and journey of it all.

If you see news of an original print of the films reaching the LoC, you can expect an official Blu-Ray release. Until then, I believe all speculation will be fruitless.

Wow, way to resurrect a 5 year old thread.
 
Wow, way to resurrect a 5 year old thread.
wow, way to spam up that thread with a nonsense comment.

The thread was on the top page. Are we not supposed to comment on threads past a certain date? Am I supposed to check them like milk products? Or is this a discussion forum?
 
According to the board rules:
"Resurrecting dead threads. If you find a thread that has not had a post in it in over a year, don't post in it. Start a new thread instead. You can, if necessary, link back to the old thread if something crucial is in the thread."

So yes, please check the existing threads. If you still want to comment, start a new one and link back to the old one
 
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