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Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centuri

No, Shatner's not the only person to misread "Centauri" as if it were related to "century."...

It's interesting: these stars, of course, did not grow up with tv. They, like the generations before them, grew up with regional dialects, and when it came to scientific terms, had often read them but not heard them aloud. There are a few times (and unfortunately I can't think of any examples right now) where I caught De Kelley repeating something someone had just told him but with a different pronunciation - which does not happen in conversation, but does happen when one has memorized a script.
 
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Agreed. And if you go to the Franz Josef Star Fleet Technical Manual and look at the emblem for Alpha Centauri, the centaurs and greek lettering suggest (to me at least) a colony founded by humans from Earth familiar with Greek mythology.

Really, nearly all of the founding worlds FJ posited in the SFTM seem to have been intended as Earth colonies. The Star Empire of Epsilon Indii [sic] has a seal with "EI" in the middle, and the United Planets of 61 Cygni has a flag with a Roman numeral and a swan (Cygnus) motif. They're clearly meant to be of human rather than alien origin. Only the 40 Eridani flag looks alien, probably because Blish cited 40 Eri as Vulcan's star in his "Tomorrow is Yesterday" adaptation. (It was the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual that first identified 61 Cyg with Tellar and Epsilon Indi with Andor, as far as I know.)
 
There are a few times (and unfortunately I can't think of any examples right now) where I caught De Kelley repeating something someone had just told him but with a different pronunciation - which does not happen in conversation, but does happen when one has memorized a script.

In "The Corbomite Maneuver" if I recall, everyone is saying Bay-lock and Kelley says Bail-ock.
 
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Agreed. And if you go to the Franz Josef Star Fleet Technical Manual and look at the emblem for Alpha Centauri, the centaurs and greek lettering suggest (to me at least) a colony founded by humans from Earth familiar with Greek mythology.

Really, nearly all of the founding worlds FJ posited in the SFTM seem to have been intended as Earth colonies. The Star Empire of Epsilon Indii [sic] has a seal with "EI" in the middle, and the United Planets of 61 Cygni has a flag with a Roman numeral and a swan (Cygnus) motif. They're clearly meant to be of human rather than alien origin. Only the 40 Eridani flag looks alien, probably because Blish cited 40 Eri as Vulcan's star in his "Tomorrow is Yesterday" adaptation. (It was the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual that first identified 61 Cyg with Tellar and Epsilon Indi with Andor, as far as I know.)

Good points. But didn't ENT establish the Andorian home system Procyon? Don't recall if or where the Tellarites were said to be from, though. In any case, that would certainly leacve things open for Ep Eri and 61 Cyg to be human colonies. On the other hand weren't all those systems said to be the founding members of the UFP (at least in the SF TM)? That would make things just a bit too human-centric, wouldn't it? I can see a UFP being founded with two human-dominated systems (Sol and A Cent - helps explain why Starfleet seems to be so primarily human occupied most of the time), but more seems to be too much.
 
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Agreed. And if you go to the Franz Josef Star Fleet Technical Manual and look at the emblem for Alpha Centauri, the centaurs and greek lettering suggest (to me at least) a colony founded by humans from Earth familiar with Greek mythology.

Really, nearly all of the founding worlds FJ posited in the SFTM seem to have been intended as Earth colonies. The Star Empire of Epsilon Indii [sic] has a seal with "EI" in the middle, and the United Planets of 61 Cygni has a flag with a Roman numeral and a swan (Cygnus) motif. They're clearly meant to be of human rather than alien origin. Only the 40 Eridani flag looks alien, probably because Blish cited 40 Eri as Vulcan's star in his "Tomorrow is Yesterday" adaptation. (It was the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual that first identified 61 Cyg with Tellar and Epsilon Indi with Andor, as far as I know.)

I love the smell of torn apart fan assumptions in the morning.
 
There are a few times (and unfortunately I can't think of any examples right now) where I caught De Kelley repeating something someone had just told him but with a different pronunciation - which does not happen in conversation, but does happen when one has memorized a script.

In "The Corbomite Maneuver" if I recall, everyone is saying Bay-lock and Kelley says Bail-ock.

He also does it "Journey to Babel." He pronounces "Sehlat" differently than Spock and Amanda. But since that's a Vulcan word that McCoy just heard for the first time, it works for the character.

In "Arena", Shatner calls the alien race the "Met-TRONES" when everyone else calls them the "Met-TRONS."
 
But didn't ENT establish the Andorian home system Procyon?

No, it didn't canonically identify any of the founding species with a real star (the closest it came was stating that Vulcan was 16 light-years from Earth, consistent with 40 Eridani). It was the non-canonical reference book Star Trek Star Charts that put Andoria at Procyon, presumably because ENT had established Vulcan and Andoria as neighboring systems whose longstanding conflict had been unknown to Earth until 2151, and Procyon is better positioned for that than Epsilon Indi is (Eps Indi is farther from 40 Eri and on the wrong side of Sol).


In any case, that would certainly leacve things open for Ep Eri and 61 Cyg to be human colonies.

That's Epsilon Indi, not Epsilon Eridani. But Epsilon Indi is canonically the home star of Triacus in "And the Children Shall Lead," so it's spoken for. (Although Star Charts identifies it with Draylax for some reason.)


On the other hand weren't all those systems said to be the founding members of the UFP (at least in the SF TM)? That would make things just a bit too human-centric, wouldn't it? I can see a UFP being founded with two human-dominated systems (Sol and A Cent - helps explain why Starfleet seems to be so primarily human occupied most of the time), but more seems to be too much.

Well, the Federation did appear very human-centric in TOS. Vulcan wasn't even established as a Federation member until "Errand of Mercy," and we didn't see any other nonhuman member worlds until "Journey to Babel." Heck, until "A Taste of Armageddon" coined the term "Federation," the Enterprise was explicitly an Earth ship. The idea of humans founding colonial unions and empires across space, uniting into the Federation, and eventually letting other species join is pretty much consistent with how the UFP was portrayed in TOS. It's not the version we're used to, so it seems odd to us, but there was nothing established at the time that would've precluded FJ from using that interpretation. After all, "Journey to Babel" never said that the Andorians, Tellarites, and other aliens shown were founding members.


So if he's human, what on Earth kind of name is "Zefram," anyway? :wtf:

Kor

Maybe a variant of Efrem/Ephraim? It's not as if "Uhura" is a real name. New names do get made up from time to time. Maybe the idea was to represent a "future" name, or a name coined by a human colonial population (in the scenario where humans settled Alpha Centauri in sublight ships -- maybe DY-100 sleepers? -- before warp drive came along).
 
Well, I think we're meant to take the writers wording literally, meaning Zefram Cochrane is from Alpha Centauri. They hadn't set anything in stone yet and it was purposely left vague so as to be open for interpretation; and it was just a throw-away line.

Cochrane was repeatedly and explicitly called human. The Companion created near-exact Earth conditions for him on the planetoid. He said "It's not Earth, but it's home." And he was uncomfortable with the idea of romantic attachment with nonhumans. Except for the single reference to Alpha Centauri, everything else in the episode creates the impression that he's an Earthman. Yes, he was known for being "of Alpha Centauri," but probably because he settled there later in life.

Now, maybe Gene Coon might've assumed that humans settled Alpha Centauri at sublight before Cochrane invented warp drive. After all, "Space Seed" assumed that the technology for sublight interstellar travel existed by the 1990s, and Cochrane was born 235 years before "Metamorphosis," so it kind of works out (as long as you go with a later time frame for TOS than "Space Seed" implied). But that's clearly not true now, given what First Contact established.

And any fan theories about some human colony seeded on Alpha Centauri by the Preservers or something are just that, fan theories. There's no way Gene Coon had anything that convoluted in mind, especially since the Preservers wouldn't be invented for another year.

I think you just put ten times more thought into it than the writer. :lol: As I say, it's a throw away line likely there to add an exotic element to the scene.

"Welcome to the world of Tomoooooroooow!"
 
Only the 40 Eridani flag looks alien, probably because Blish cited 40 Eri as Vulcan's star in his "Tomorrow is Yesterday" adaptation.

Sure, it looks kinda alien-ish, but it still has a stylized "E" for Eridani, and a "4" and "0" mashed into a single character! :lol:

But Epsilon Indi is canonically the home star of Triacus in "And the Children Shall Lead," so it's spoken for. (Although Star Charts identifies it with Draylax for some reason.)

Technically that line could also be interpreted as the Triacans (?) travelling to Epsilon Indi to make war with the civilization(s) living there. (Eg - if you said "Kzin was home to an aggressive species who made constant war throughout the Sol system", it doesn't mean Kzin belonged to that system.)
 
Technically that line could also be interpreted as the Triacans (?) travelling to Epsilon Indi to make war with the civilization(s) living there.

More than technically, I'd say. The folks of Epsilon Indi defeated the forces of evil that had a "seat" in Triacus. But those folks are not around - nothing indicates they would have lived on Triacus, as our heroes never consider them as an explanation for the "presence" or the events. An in-and-out job that leaves the "seat" empty would be the natural interpretation.

Further, the legend is about "again" sending it "marauding across the galaxy"...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Sure, it looks kinda alien-ish, but it still has a stylized "E" for Eridani, and a "4" and "0" mashed into a single character! :lol:

It never occurred to me to interpret the symbols in that way, but I guess it's possible. Though there's no way of knowing whether FJ's intent was for the symbols to mean that in-universe, or if it was just an in-jokey way to design something "alien."


Technically that line could also be interpreted as the Triacans (?) travelling to Epsilon Indi to make war with the civilization(s) living there. (Eg - if you said "Kzin was home to an aggressive species who made constant war throughout the Sol system", it doesn't mean Kzin belonged to that system.)

I guess that could work.
 
But didn't ENT establish the Andorian home system Procyon?



In any case, that would certainly leacve things open for Ep Eri and 61 Cyg to be human colonies.
That's Epsilon Indi, not Epsilon Eridani. But Epsilon Indi is canonically the home star of Triacus in "And the Children Shall Lead," so it's spoken for. (Although Star Charts identifies it with Draylax for some reason.)


On the other hand weren't all those systems said to be the founding members of the UFP (at least in the SF TM)? That would make things just a bit too human-centric, wouldn't it? I can see a UFP being founded with two human-dominated systems (Sol and A Cent - helps explain why Starfleet seems to be so primarily human occupied most of the time), but more seems to be too much.
rm "Federation," the Enterprise was explicitly an Earth ship.
So if he's human, what on Earth kind of name is "Zefram," anyway? :wtf:

Kor

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Seems to me that the exact affiliation of the "United Space Ship" Enterprise could have been open to interpretation, at least initially.

Somewhat comparable to the Stardate, which did not pin down which century TOS was set in.
 
Seems to me that the exact affiliation of the "United Space Ship" Enterprise could have been open to interpretation, at least initially.

No, there were numerous references to it being an Earth ship, e.g. in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" ("Did another Earth ship once probe out of the galaxy as we intend to do?"), "The Corbomite Maneuver" ("This is the United Earth ship Enterprise"), and "The Menagerie" ("the only Earth ship that ever visited" Talos IV). Plus references to Earth bases and Earth outposts, the Earth-Romulan War, the United Earth Space Probe Agency, etc. The first season leaves no doubt that the Enterprise and its service are affiliated with Earth specifically.
 
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