Your turn; elitist

[RobertScorpio]

Star Trek, according to Mr. Roddenberry, was supposed to be like "Wagon Train" but in a space setting. Interesting comparison.

Deep Space Nine, according to what Berman said, was modeled more after Gunsmoke. It was like "Dodge City" and the myriad of 'town folk' that inhabited or visited the space station.

So we have TOS, and it's clones, TNG-VOY-ENT as Wagon Train. And DS9 as Gunsmoke. Borrowing from 'hit' concepts of the day is exactly what Roddenberry admits to doing. He says it right there in his introduction to The Cage. Berman says so in one of the easter eggs in the DS9 collection.

So when someone says "how about a Law show, but with a Star Trek theme" or a "reality show with a star trek" theme, this is looked down upon by some of our more elitist friends on this board who, obviously, have no idea how Star Trek was created; a space western.

So????? I guess if you 'elitist' had just seen "The Cage" and Roddenberry has just told you it was "Wagon Train", but with Zap guns instead of six shooters, you would have been one of those who said "dude, you're just copying Wagon Train. Come up with something more original."

Well, reality check for them, and I guess for you. When you sell TV shows, sometimes you do model them after what is already a hit (Westerns in Roddenberry's time). So if someone were to pitch a law show wrapped around Star Trek themes it would be no different than wrapping Trek around already established "western" concepts.

So, what I am saying? You need to stop looking down at others with lofty noses. If not, you are no different than the NBC eggheads who looked down on him from borrowing from the Westerns.

And, to make it more clearer for you? If you don't like the concept of apply Trek to popular concepts, westerns/law shows/reality shows, then I dare you to come up with an orginal concept of your own that doesn't borrow from any established concept AND would also be a hit.

Can you do it Klaxxon and Biggles? Lets see...in this thread, I want to see these great ideas....wow me.

Rob
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[JoeZhang]

Is that actually true? I thought that Star Trek wasn't meant to be "wagon train in space" and that was a misrepresentation that Roddenbery used to pitch the show to the suits, who at the time were obsessed with westerns.

 

[blaXXer]

Great, now you open a new topic just to piss off and call on the people that don'T agree with your half-cooked ideas? Yeah, I can see that going REAL well.

 

[JNG]

I thought that Star Trek wasn't meant to be "wagon train in space" and that was a misrepresentation that Roddenbery used to pitch the show to the suits, who at the time were obsessed with westerns.

Correct. Some of the parties claim many a laugh was had at expense of said suits over this. Take it about as seriously as DS9's resemblance to Gunsmoke

 

[RobertScorpio]

I thought that Star Trek wasn't meant to be "wagon train in space" and that was a misrepresentation that Roddenbery used to pitch the show to the suits, who at the time were obsessed with westerns.

Correct. Some of the parties claim many a laugh was had at expense of said suits over this. Take it about as seriously as DS9's resemblance to Gunsmoke

Umm...hello??? were you paying attention? HE SOLD it on being Wagon Train..what he delievered was something else...

But as for DS9 and Dodge, that doesn't come from me..that comes from the eggs on DS9 Dvds...

Point being..when you pitch shows, it isn't uncommon to tie them with other shows. In fact, GR told them Phase II (which became TNG) was just a continuation to TOS...

Rob

 

[JoeZhang]

I thought that Star Trek wasn't meant to be "wagon train in space" and that was a misrepresentation that Roddenbery used to pitch the show to the suits, who at the time were obsessed with westerns.

Correct. Some of the parties claim many a laugh was had at expense of said suits over this. Take it about as seriously as DS9's resemblance to Gunsmoke

Umm...hello??? were you paying attention? HE SOLD it on being Wagon Train..what he delievered was something else...

But as for DS9 and Dodge, that doesn't come from me..that comes from the eggs on DS9 Dvds...

Point being..when you pitch shows, it isn't uncommon to tie them with other shows. In fact, GR told them Phase II (which became TNG) was just a continuation to TOS...

Rob

But the discussion was never about pitch it was about the fact that most people thought your ideas suck.

 

[blaXXer]

Umm...hello??? were you paying attention? HE SOLD it on being Wagon Train..what he delievered was something else...

And you sell your ideas as Trek in a blender, but you deliver just that.

Point being..when you pitch shows, it isn't uncommon to tie them with other shows. In fact, GR told them Phase II (which became TNG) was just a continuation to TOS...

Well it actually was, wasn't it? So, your point is moot.

Rob

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[RobertScorpio]

Great, now you open a new topic just to piss off and call on the people that don'T agree with your half-cooked ideas? Yeah, I can see that going REAL well.

I could care a less how it goes over. And yes, I am calling you and biggles out. You love to nitpick on other peoples ideas, how about coming up with your own. Probably because you don't have any, which is fine. But when you try to say that TV shows are not pitched on the basis they take this or that from one idea and then merge it with this idea of here, then you just have no idea what you are talking about. And they are hits..

Ummm..Mr. Network guy, how about we take the idea of CSI and spin it off with CSI new york. Same plots, same formula, and..whammo..we call it CSI whatever..

Umm..network guy, we take Star Wars, bastardize the plot, and call it Battlestar Galactica....

Ummm..mr.network guy, why don't we take Survivor, but make it business people and have Mr. Trump judge them..or Chef Ramsey Judge them

umm..Mr network guy, why don't we rip off American Idol with shows about people who dance, or have some talent or invent things...

see??? IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

And it happens to Star Trek all the time. GR sold the concept as Wagon Train, but delievered something else (more of a clone of Forbidden Planet if you think about it). But TOS is as successful as it is, IMO, because it has a 'western frontier' to it."

Rob
Scorpio

 

[RobertScorpio]

What wasn't? PHASE TWO was pitched as just taking TOS and replacing Spock with XON (later Data) and adding Ilya/Decker (Later Troy/Riker)...TNG is PHASE TWO not only in conceptioin, but music as well.

Rob

Rob

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[RobertScorpio]

My point??

There would have been no TOS had Roddenberry not pitched it as Wagon Train. Westerns were the show of the day back then. He told them it would be like a western, but with 'zap guns instead of six shooter".

He lied, and delievered something else, but did he really?

Just watch TOS. On more than one occasion Kirk alludes to the Enterprise being the only 'law' out here. It actually has a frontier feel to it, in fact its in the opening title every week "Space the Final Frontier"....


Rob

 

[Lindley]

Yeah, this is getting closed. There's no point to it except complaining about criticism.