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Your thoughts and views on The Inner Light

This is from a person who claims the Royale is one of the 20 best episodes of STNG???? :lol:

RAMA

Didn't you call the thread "Your Personal Top 20"? Why ask for people's top 20 episodes if you only wanted lists that match your own?

I personally find The Royale far more re-watchable than The Inner Light (more so than anything produced in seasons six and seven), which is my number one criteria for selecting favorite episodes.

You'll notice my number two TOS episode is The Omega Glory.
 
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This is generally true, though there is nothing particulalry slow about STNG. Viewership figures on STNG were always rising, especially in seasons he is trying to claim were "slow". Someone apparently saw the value of dialogue rich episodes of drama at the time. :bolian:

RAMA

There are plenty of dialogue rich episodes that don't put me to sleep. You keep trying to frame the issue that if someone doesn't like an episode your enamored with that they obviously can't be a fan and that their opinion isn't worthwhile because TNG did good numbers.

The Inner Light is dull... Where No One Has Gone Before, The Drumhead, Half-a-Life and Ensign Ro are all dialogue heavy episodes that don't put me to sleep.

Live with it... life does go on. :techman:

Life goes on, you just happen to be wrong about your claim. :techman: I do believe everyone has the right to like whatever they want of course...but some things are just more credible than others. You can like Lost in Space for example (or The Royale..ick), and I'm fine with that (hey I dont have to watch it), but you start claiming its better than TOS or STNG, I'd have to call you on it. So there is a qualitative difference that I can respond to. In this particular case, its hard to take your claims seriously and I'm saying so. You can go back to disliking The Inner Light in your wrongness and read a nice comfy TOS thread about bell bottoms and mini skirts now.

Edit: You know I was re-reading this after stuffing my face at an Easter dinner and spending time with the family and I realized I forgot to put a smiley face, this wasn't meant to sound as nasty as it now sounds to me. Was meant to be more light-hearted. :)

RAMA

:techman:
 
This is from a person who claims the Royale is one of the 20 best episodes of STNG???? :lol:

RAMA

Didn't you call the thread "Your Personal Top 20"? Why ask for people's top 20 episodes if you only wanted lists that match your own?

I personally find The Royale far more re-watchable than The Inner Light (more so than anything produced in seasons six and seven), which is my number one criteria for selecting favorite episodes.

You'll notice my number two TOS episode is The Omega Glory.

Eh I don't really want lists to match my own, its just this is one of the odder transpositions to me..

I liked Omega Glory when I was a kid, it was one of the first TOS epsI watched in my early "trekkerhood". Of course in retrospect it has a lot of problems.

RAMA
 
Edit: You know I was re-reading this after stuffing my face at an Easter dinner and spending time with the family and I realized I forgot to put a smiley face, this wasn't meant to sound as nasty as it now sounds to me. Was meant to be more light-hearted. :)

RAMA

:techman:

I liked Omega Glory when I was a kid, it was one of the first TOS epsI watched in my early "trekkerhood". Of course in retrospect it has a lot of problems.

In retrospect, most Trek episodes have problems... regardless of series. :lol:
 
I think "The Omega Glory" is very underappreciated--there are some great sci fi concepts in there. A lot of people apparently have a knee-jerk reaction to the parading of the American flag and the concept that the ideals expressed in the preamble to to Constitution are something we should aspire to.

And I think "The Inner Light" is a great episode, to get back to the OP.
 
"The Inner Light" is one of those episodes that can really reach into people's emotions and touch them. Of course, how far it can reach in depends on the viewer's mood. And how some people are totally unphased, it reminds me of the 2nd season finale of Babylon 5, how Koch emerged from his encounter suit, and each saw a different angelic image (Vorlons seeding their culture with an illusion tailored to their race to make them innately associate Vorlons with good) but the Centauri Londo saw nothing at all. The Babylon 5 equivalent to "The Inner Light" is "Sleeping in Light" though.


I don't know about "City on the Edge of Forever". It has more emotional pull than the average TOS episode but I think at least half a dozen or more episodes from various sci-fi or dramatic shows from the 80s- early 00s have outdone it in emotional effect (if they revisited it, a drugged up McCoy could find another Guardian gate inside an asteroid and we could have "For the World is Hollow, and in the City of Forever I Have Touched the Sky Inside Spock's Brain").


And I've wondered about a few "what if?" versions of "The Inner Light". How poignant would they feel if they had different musical instruments besides the flute? What if the instrument was an accordion? What if it was a saxophone? What if it was a harmonica?

Imagine, the probe is opened and Picard gets sentimental over the accordion and plays it in an emotional fade out shot.




I think "The Omega Glory" is very underappreciated--there are some great sci fi concepts in there. A lot of people apparently have a knee-jerk reaction to the parading of the American flag and the concept that the ideals expressed in the preamble to to Constitution are something we should aspire to.
THAT'S not why people have such a knee-jerk reaction to it. If "The Omega Glory" was some Days of Future Past-like alternate future for Earth, it might have been very well received, but what makes people show utter disgust with what many consider a great episode up to that moment (for the captain violating the Prime Directive for self-gain and the character has a pretty strong presence/is memorable) is this is an alien planet, not Earth and the Yankees vs. Communists is very thinly veiled. People don't like allusions to be so blunt & transparent. Same reason why Twilight Zone "The Mirror" is seen as reactionary propaganda. The character (played by Columbo) is a thinly veiled Fidel Castro. It crosses the line from a good story into blatant propaganda. The episode up to that point was captain vs. captain, the highly-held principles of the Federation & Starfleet vs. selfishness & exploitation, a conquistador in a New World, but that last act makes it veer into an appeal directly to the audience in some kind of reflective desire to affirm one's patriotism and hatred of Soviet Communists. It's not like everyone who hates "The Omega Glory" has a soft spot for the Soviet Union, it's that they find that revelation very patronising and disconnected from the rest of the episode. That planet ain't Earth* and there's no hint of the Preservers.

*: TOS muddied things up with regular space/alien worlds and parallel Earths out there, which kind of invokes Sliders. The idea is stupid from a TNG era perspective. Parallel Earths belong in parallel dimensions, not out there in space. This episode gets tied up in that. At least "A Piece of the Action" can be attributed to archaeologists/historians that taint the culture they're observing.

Same with "The Way to Eden", which is how the old people viewed these new-fangled "Hippies" back in 68/69. Is the acid reference too subtle? I will give that episode some credit though, as much as it maligns those Edenite hippies, it does seem to display some genuine concern, that they are being misguided by pied pipers, leading them to their doom.
 
Is the acid reference too subtle?
The same with "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" which dealt with black white racism, the planet
Cheron was located in the southern part of the galaxy. A lot of folks never caught that.

And I've wondered about a few "what if?" versions of "The Inner Light". How poignant would they feel if they had different musical instruments besides the flute? What if the instrument was an accordion? What if it was a saxophone? What if it was a harmonica?
Riker with his little jazz band had the sax covered, and one day Trip would play the harmonica,
so that leave us at the end of the episode with Picard and his accordian, and as the Enteprise
sail into the distance he plays Weird Al Yankovic's version of My Sharona.


:)


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"The Inner Light" is one of those episodes that can really reach into people's emotions and touch them. Of course, how far it can reach in depends on the viewer's mood. And how some people are totally unphased, it reminds me of the 2nd season finale of Babylon 5, how Koch emerged from his encounter suit, and each saw a different angelic image (Vorlons seeding their culture with an illusion tailored to their race to make them innately associate Vorlons with good) but the Centauri Londo saw nothing at all. The Babylon 5 equivalent to "The Inner Light" is "Sleeping in Light" though.


I don't know about "City on the Edge of Forever". It has more emotional pull than the average TOS episode but I think at least half a dozen or more episodes from various sci-fi or dramatic shows from the 80s- early 00s have outdone it in emotional effect (if they revisited it, a drugged up McCoy could find another Guardian gate inside an asteroid and we could have "For the World is Hollow, and in the City of Forever I Have Touched the Sky Inside Spock's Brain").


And I've wondered about a few "what if?" versions of "The Inner Light". How poignant would they feel if they had different musical instruments besides the flute? What if the instrument was an accordion? What if it was a saxophone? What if it was a harmonica?

Imagine, the probe is opened and Picard gets sentimental over the accordion and plays it in an emotional fade out shot.




I think "The Omega Glory" is very underappreciated--there are some great sci fi concepts in there. A lot of people apparently have a knee-jerk reaction to the parading of the American flag and the concept that the ideals expressed in the preamble to to Constitution are something we should aspire to.
THAT'S not why people have such a knee-jerk reaction to it. If "The Omega Glory" was some Days of Future Past-like alternate future for Earth, it might have been very well received, but what makes people show utter disgust with what many consider a great episode up to that moment (for the captain violating the Prime Directive for self-gain and the character has a pretty strong presence/is memorable) is this is an alien planet, not Earth and the Yankees vs. Communists is very thinly veiled. People don't like allusions to be so blunt & transparent. Same reason why Twilight Zone "The Mirror" is seen as reactionary propaganda. The character (played by Columbo) is a thinly veiled Fidel Castro. It crosses the line from a good story into blatant propaganda. The episode up to that point was captain vs. captain, the highly-held principles of the Federation & Starfleet vs. selfishness & exploitation, a conquistador in a New World, but that last act makes it veer into an appeal directly to the audience in some kind of reflective desire to affirm one's patriotism and hatred of Soviet Communists. It's not like everyone who hates "The Omega Glory" has a soft spot for the Soviet Union, it's that they find that revelation very patronising and disconnected from the rest of the episode. That planet ain't Earth* and there's no hint of the Preservers.

*: TOS muddied things up with regular space/alien worlds and parallel Earths out there, which kind of invokes Sliders. The idea is stupid from a TNG era perspective. Parallel Earths belong in parallel dimensions, not out there in space. This episode gets tied up in that. At least "A Piece of the Action" can be attributed to archaeologists/historians that taint the culture they're observing.

Same with "The Way to Eden", which is how the old people viewed these new-fangled "Hippies" back in 68/69. Is the acid reference too subtle? I will give that episode some credit though, as much as it maligns those Edenite hippies, it does seem to display some genuine concern, that they are being misguided by pied pipers, leading them to their doom.

Its easy to be harsh with the parallel worlds idea, but without it (and the associated costumes and sets on Paramount's lot) TOS may never have gotten made.

Later developed into an in-universe theory, making it a self-consistent scientific conceit:

Hodgkin's law:

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Hodgkin%27s_Law
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Termites_of_Loracus_Prime.jpg

RAMA
 
I think it is a classic episode, as it one of the few episodes that can hit you in the gut, as it really is a Memento Mori, A remembrance of what is dead and that we are mortal. However it looses a lot of impact if it watched too often, while, say, The wounded, another classic episode binded by music is more re-watchable, the Inner light gives me a bigger punch in the gut as long as I don't watch it more then once every year or every other year.
 
I have sometimes wondered what it would be like if I awoke from a coma and was told that everything about my life had only been a dream, not that I am worried about that ever happening. The nature of dreams is just too different from the nature of reality. Whose to say, thought, that the projected dream of Jean Luc was not exactly like reality.

That's what Inner Light makes me think of. Of course, Picard had a very full life before this happened, (of which he was aware while on the "inside") and returned to that life, so it is a little different.

Still, to have and raise a family only to discover that it didn't happen, how could you not miss them.

raf
 
Personally, I found Inner Light to be a bore. I find my episode faves for TNG seem to be quite different from the mainstream, though. I also could barely sit through Tapestry, which seems to be another crowd favorite.
 
The Inner Light is an odd one. Its a very interesting concept, especially for Picard, and in its own way it was perfect. However, its incredibly slow burning and very simple. Its like Im very nearly bored by it. Its just interesting enough, but at the same time its a wonderful episode, and wouldnt work if it was any more 'exciting'.
 
The story was already several thousand years old when TNG did it. There's a story in Indian mythology of a magician who comes to a king's court and promises to show him something he's never seen before. Moments later, the king appears in a forest, has some adventures, meets a peasant woman he marries, lives for some seventy years, then wakes back up in his court only minutes after he original "left."
 
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