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Your thoughts and views on The Inner Light

JennaL

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The Inner Light is my favourite episode of TNG - I can rewatch it over and over again and still find I am in awe of the overall message and meaning. Stewart's performance is amazingly touching and very well acted. I really wish more follow ups later on in the series touching on Picard's experience and its effects on him could have been seen - it was cleverly touched on in "Lessons" but surely an experience so profound as living a complete liftetime, it would have been nice to follow up. Your thoughts?
 
I enjoyed the episode, I think its appropriate that they only indirectly touched on the episode later because it would be so hard to really explain the personal feelings you experience while in such a simulation(think of people losing themselves in virtual life games)...having a family is usually a big deal to most people, so acquiring and losing one so realistically had to be quite an emotional blow to Picard and he's a very personal man.

RAMA
 
It was the TNG episode that affected me the most, but I never wished to watch it again. Maybe I will soon.

I felt a tiny bit of emptiness that the people in it weren't real which kinda puts me off and at the same time is what made the episode good. You know, Picard got to know these people, but these people never got to know the person who got to know them. Picard got a share of their life and their love, of their culture, but they could never get his love and reaction back. This somehow disturbs me. A part of me wishes that those people could be real people who somehow truly didn't know the truth about Picard, and that he could save them and show them the universe, that there is at least one survivor of Picard's new friends and family...

That's just amazing.
 
Nonsense, its even more gut wrenching than City on the Edge of Forever.

:guffaw:

Kirk basically has a fling for a few days vs Picard acquiring a family, and learning of a memorial for a dead race he cared for...you do the math.

RAMA

Scientists have found the cure for insomnia... it's called The Inner Light.

Like I said originally... interesting concept, dull in execution.
 

Kirk basically has a fling for a few days vs Picard acquiring a family, and learning of a memorial for a dead race he cared for...you do the math.

RAMA

Nice how you left out that Kirk had to sacrifice someone he loved for millions to live. ;)

Not really, we just don't know the state of the UFP after the events are changed...and millions still die in WWII...


Kirk basically has a fling for a few days vs Picard acquiring a family, and learning of a memorial for a dead race he cared for...you do the math.

RAMA

Scientists have found the cure for insomnia... it's called The Inner Light.

Like I said originally... interesting concept, dull in execution.

Well you are one of 3 people who thinks so. This is from a person who claims the Royale is one of the 20 best episodes of STNG???? :lol:

RAMA
 
I give it an A, 5 stars, whatever you want to call it.
To me it is perfectly classic sci-fi, like something out of The Martian Chronicles. It's not something I'd like to watch repeatedly, once every 5 or 10 years is fine for me. But then I feel that way about most Star Trek.

* yes, it is a little "slow", especially compared to today's ADD television. You know what's even slower? Books. The speed of storytelling is a stylistic choice IMO, largely independent of the quality.
 
SPOCK: We're not that sure of our facts. Who's to say when the exact time will come? Save her, do as your heart tells you to do, and millions will die who did not die before.

:techman:
 
SPOCK: We're not that sure of our facts. Who's to say when the exact time will come? Save her, do as your heart tells you to do, and millions will die who did not die before.
:techman:

In other words different people, but this doesn't mean millions more than the millions in WWII. :techman: How many untold millions died on Kataan??

Both episodes won a Hugo, both episodes were listed in top 10 marathons. You are definitely in a minority on this issue, and rightly so.

RAMA
 
SPOCK: We're not that sure of our facts. Who's to say when the exact time will come? Save her, do as your heart tells you to do, and millions will die who did not die before.
:techman:

In other words different people, but this doesn't mean millions more than the millions in WWII. :techman:

How many Jewish people are there on the planet? Gay? Non-Aryan?

If the Nazis win World War II there is no way you can say with a straight face that many more people wouldn't die than died originally. :rolleyes:

SPOCK: This is how history went after McCoy changed it. Here, in the late 1930s. A growing pacifist movement whose influence delayed the United States' entry into the Second World War. While peace negotiations dragged on, Germany had time to complete its heavy-water experiments.
KIRK: Germany. Fascism. Hitler. They won the Second World War.
SPOCK: Because all this lets them develop the A-bomb first. There's no mistake, Captain. Let me run it again. Edith Keeler. Founder of the peace movement.
KIRK: But she was right. Peace was the way.
SPOCK: She was right, but at the wrong time. With the A-bomb, and with their V2 rockets to carry them, Germany captured the world.
 

In other words different people, but this doesn't mean millions more than the millions in WWII. :techman:

How many Jewish people are there on the planet? Gay? Non-Aryan?

If the Nazis win World War II there is no way you can say with a straight face that many more people wouldn't die than died originally. :rolleyes:

There aren't more Jews on the Earth than people who died in WWII....(13 million NOW vs up to 80 million dead in WWII)

There's no guarantee more people would have died than in the original WWII, Germany did not sytematically kill every single person in countries they occupied...in fact once they took over other countries, there are less likely to have been more deaths (not arguing oppression here, which of course, sucks).

RAMA
 
"Inner Light" is definitely one of the most touching and thoughtful Trek episodes ever. I think it's a classic and I have absolutely no issues with the pacing. It was appropriate for the story that they were trying to tell and I never felt it was a "slow" episode.

Stupid Michael Bay movies have ruined people's taste for good storytelling I guess.
 
In other words different people, but this doesn't mean millions more than the millions in WWII. :techman:

How many Jewish people are there on the planet? Gay? Non-Aryan?

If the Nazis win World War II there is no way you can say with a straight face that many more people wouldn't die than died originally. :rolleyes:

There aren't more Jews on the Earth than people who died in WWII....

RAMA

*sigh*

Now think about generation after generation of Nazi brutality carried out on the people of the Earth who weren't blond hair and blue eyed.

The Germans wouldn't become benevolent once they won WWII. :lol:
 
Stupid Michael Bay movies have ruined people's taste for good storytelling I guess.

Not at all. I just find The Inner Light a very underwhelming entry.

There are slow, introspective stories then there are those that are simply sleep inducing. The Inner Light falls into the latter category for me.
 
"Inner Light" is definitely one of the most touching and thoughtful Trek episodes ever. I think it's a classic and I have absolutely no issues with the pacing. It was appropriate for the story that they were trying to tell and I never felt it was a "slow" episode.

Stupid Michael Bay movies have ruined people's taste for good storytelling I guess.

This is generally true, though there is nothing particulalry slow about STNG. Viewership figures on STNG were always rising, especially in seasons he is trying to claim were "slow". Someone apparently saw the value of dialogue rich episodes of drama at the time. :bolian:

RAMA
 
How many Jewish people are there on the planet? Gay? Non-Aryan?

If the Nazis win World War II there is no way you can say with a straight face that many more people wouldn't die than died originally. :rolleyes:

There aren't more Jews on the Earth than people who died in WWII....

RAMA

*sigh*

Now think about generation after generation of Nazi brutality carried out on the people of the Earth who weren't blond hair and blue eyed.

The Germans wouldn't become benevolent once they won WWII. :lol:

Nope, but you still can't say with certainty more than 80 million people would have died. Also the idea that Germans killed all non-Aryans is silly, there really weren't many Aryans to begin with and hard to come up with who were "pure" (no such thing really). Again, even though there was a war going on they did not systematically kill everyone in occupied countries, or even a majority!

The idea in COTEOF was that different people would die who didn't die before not that lots of additional people would die.

RAMA
 
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