Your opinion- Have we seen the last of the gold/red/blue uniforms?
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Re: Your opinion- Have we seen the last of the gold/red/blue uniforms
Olive-gray: Planet-based personnel/Starfleet HQ
Bluish-gray: Command/Administration
Beige: Bridge personnel
Brown: Non-bridge personnel
White: Technicians/Support services
This was in addition to different branch colors indicated by a background circle in the uniform insignia. These uniforms also had several variants for both standard and casual duties (more so than any other Trek uniform to date).
There was a scheme developed for the TMP uniforms, but very few people cared:
Olive-gray: Planet-based personnel/Starfleet HQ
Bluish-gray: Command/Administration
Beige: Bridge personnel
Brown: Non-bridge personnel
White: Technicians/Support services
This was in addition to different branch colors indicated by a background circle in the uniform insignia. These uniforms also had several variants for both standard and casual duties (more so than any other Trek uniform to date).
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It was not easy to see the scheme since other colors would be worn. Kirk would wear white short sleve top/gray bottom as well as the blue, and that uniform seemed to be worn without regard to what your job was. The navigator and science officer wore the blue even though they were on the bridge. Were Ilia and Sonak "command" and not "bridge"? Is that the idea? Its made worse by the fact that Scotty wore it also, and he was certainly not command, and Sonak didnt seem to be, since the circle behind his insignia was not white for Command.
I liked the white top/gray bottom uniform, with just divisonal colors with the insignia. With some modifications, that would have been okay.
It was not easy to see the scheme since other colors would be worn. Kirk would wear white short sleve top/gray bottom as well as the blue, and that uniform seemed to be worn without regard to what your job was. The navigator and science officer wore the blue even though they were on the bridge. Were Ilia and Sonak "command" and not "bridge"? Is that the idea? Its made worse by the fact that Scotty wore it also, and he was certainly not command, and Sonak didnt seem to be, since the circle behind his insignia was not white for Command.
I liked the white top/gray bottom uniform, with just divisonal colors with the insignia. With some modifications, that would have been okay.
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Re: Your opinion- Have we seen the last of the gold/red/blue uniforms
Quit reading my mind!
Also, I would like to see them re-introduce the green wrap-around tunic Kirk often wore in TOS.
Quit reading my mind!
Also, I would like to see them re-introduce the green wrap-around tunic Kirk often wore in TOS.
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You know, I'm perfectly alright with keeping the current film ones, but if I were to be redoing the TMP era ones, these would be exactly it. And maybe add the little buckle at the shoulder.
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You know, I'm perfectly alright with keeping the current film ones, but if I were to be redoing the TMP era ones, these would be exactly it. And maybe add the little buckle at the shoulder.
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I always thought that TWOK era uniforms in black would have been pretty sharp:
Whaddyathink? The jacket could still be thinned out and shortened I think. I would keep white for command, but use teal for science, green for medical, orange for engineering. Or something like that.
I always thought that TWOK era uniforms in black would have been pretty sharp:
Whaddyathink? The jacket could still be thinned out and shortened I think. I would keep white for command, but use teal for science, green for medical, orange for engineering. Or something like that.
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Not bad.
The jacket should be longer though; and the pants worn lower on the hips, instead of the middle. I'd like the pants to be completely black. The jacket could also be leather (or at least, a synthetic leather-looking fabric in-universe); somehow looks better, I think. Don't make it glossy, like Sloan's, though.
Not bad.
The jacket should be longer though; and the pants worn lower on the hips, instead of the middle. I'd like the pants to be completely black. The jacket could also be leather (or at least, a synthetic leather-looking fabric in-universe); somehow looks better, I think. Don't make it glossy, like Sloan's, though.
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Black is dressy/formal and/or evil. Starfleet should be approachable, professional, and functional. What you posted looks like something a villain would wear or posibly the 23rd century equivalent of a very formal uniform or suit.
Starfleet NEEDS at least a little color, not only for department recognition but just to look better on camera and be more interesting visually. Starfleet doesn't really strike me as a 'black' organization anyways.
Black is dressy/formal and/or evil. Starfleet should be approachable, professional, and functional. What you posted looks like something a villain would wear or posibly the 23rd century equivalent of a very formal uniform or suit.
Starfleet NEEDS at least a little color, not only for department recognition but just to look better on camera and be more interesting visually. Starfleet doesn't really strike me as a 'black' organization anyways.
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There was also the issue, however, of choosing uniforms that best looked good on the actors (in one early publicity photo for TMP, Decker was actually wearing a beige jumpsuit uniform, but this was obviously changed once filming actually started).
The short-sleeve white tunic was considered a casual top and could be worn by anyone (think of it as an undershirt of sorts).
Presumably those blue-grey Command/Administrative uniforms could also include general and senior staff personnel--which would sort of explain Ilia, Sonak, and Scotty--but the beige uniforms for Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov may have specifically indicated their status as bridge personnel.
There was also the issue, however, of choosing uniforms that best looked good on the actors (in one early publicity photo for TMP, Decker was actually wearing a beige jumpsuit uniform, but this was obviously changed once filming actually started).
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I am going for something that is a bit more Naval without it being a very dark blue:
As you can see, very snappy but not very colorful. But rather than go with this I think the black-charcoal gray-medium gray family is a good alternative. But either way, it does have a formal appearance as you say. On the other hand, nearly any kind of traditional suit, including civilian ones, generally seem pretty formal.
I can see that. Harve Bennett wanted the red to give a better contrast with the grays of the set backgrounds. I appreciate the reasoning, and you cannot just put those considerations aside, especially within the realities of film making. On the other hand Naval and Military movies have been riveting and powerful, and yet featured lots and lots of olive drabs, earthy browns or deep dark blues.
I am going for something that is a bit more Naval without it being a very dark blue:
As you can see, very snappy but not very colorful. But rather than go with this I think the black-charcoal gray-medium gray family is a good alternative. But either way, it does have a formal appearance as you say. On the other hand, nearly any kind of traditional suit, including civilian ones, generally seem pretty formal.
I can see that. Harve Bennett wanted the red to give a better contrast with the grays of the set backgrounds. I appreciate the reasoning, and you cannot just put those considerations aside, especially within the realities of film making. On the other hand Naval and Military movies have been riveting and powerful, and yet featured lots and lots of olive drabs, earthy browns or deep dark blues.
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I sure hope they keep the uniforms! And I would like to see Kirk's green wraparound too. Though I never quite understood why he had it... seemed out of place. Captain's privilege, I suppose.
I agree that Starfleet needs to have the colour. I think black/grey looks sharp, but too formal. Plus, being confined to a ship for five years with everyone around you in black would be pretty dismal.
I sure hope they keep the uniforms! And I would like to see Kirk's green wraparound too. Though I never quite understood why he had it... seemed out of place. Captain's privilege, I suppose.
I agree that Starfleet needs to have the colour. I think black/grey looks sharp, but too formal. Plus, being confined to a ship for five years with everyone around you in black would be pretty dismal.
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I don't like any of the movie uniforms prior to Abrams's Star Trek enough to miss them. My favorite outfits remain those designed by Theiss for TOS and TNG.
I don't like any of the movie uniforms prior to Abrams's Star Trek enough to miss them. My favorite outfits remain those designed by Theiss for TOS and TNG.
Re: Your opinion- Have we seen the last of the gold/red/blue uniforms
Yeah... we want pajamas!
Yeah... we want pajamas!
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Booooooring! None of the shows or films ever benefitted visually from gray and black and generally drab costumes. TMP, FC onwards, even the VGR uniforms were a little too black for my taste. If this is supposed to be an optimistic vision of the future, make it look like it. Some color is ok.
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Booooooring! None of the shows or films ever benefitted visually from gray and black and generally drab costumes. TMP, FC onwards, even the VGR uniforms were a little too black for my taste. If this is supposed to be an optimistic vision of the future, make it look like it. Some color is ok.
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i like the uniform now, but they could b changed. those uniforms 2 panels up would be better if you made the grey jackets their branch color instead, &made those stripes thicker (the ones on the jacket being black).
i like the uniform now, but they could b changed. those uniforms 2 panels up would be better if you made the grey jackets their branch color instead, &made those stripes thicker (the ones on the jacket being black).
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The grey could easily be tinted yellow/blue/red (or more like sand/blue/brick) with the color trim remaining. There is a reason you don't see many people wearing bright red and bright yellow very often, not everyone looks good in such bright colors (see: Stewart looked better in Red, thus it became the command color) whereas most everyone looks good in a more toned down outfit like the FC uniforms. Grey also picks up a lot of environmental color and is fun to light.
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I love the XI starship uniforms. I love the deltas woven into the fabric. I like the black undershirts. I like the deeper v neck on the overshirts.
They look comfy, practical, unfussy.
I hope they keep 'em.
I love the XI starship uniforms. I love the deltas woven into the fabric. I like the black undershirts. I like the deeper v neck on the overshirts.
They look comfy, practical, unfussy.
I hope they keep 'em.
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I also hope they keep the current uniforms for the next several ST movies. Nice homage to TOS. And ditto on seeing a variation of Kirk's green wraparound tunic, along with the black undershirt seen in XI.
As for the earlier movie uniforms, I always thought combining the two would be good. That is, the TMP uniform design with some changes, like the undershirts under the tunic, the shoulder epaulets, as well as the metal insignia and colors of the TWOK-TUC uniforms. The dress uniforms could be the asymmetrical TWOK-TUC jackets with some silver or gold piping, like what Admiral Kirk had on his jacket.
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I also hope they keep the current uniforms for the next several ST movies. Nice homage to TOS. And ditto on seeing a variation of Kirk's green wraparound tunic, along with the black undershirt seen in XI.
As for the earlier movie uniforms, I always thought combining the two would be good. That is, the TMP uniform design with some changes, like the undershirts under the tunic, the shoulder epaulets, as well as the metal insignia and colors of the TWOK-TUC uniforms. The dress uniforms could be the asymmetrical TWOK-TUC jackets with some silver or gold piping, like what Admiral Kirk had on his jacket.
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