Thanks for the link, BillJ. It didn't occur to me that my references were obscure. BTW, I thought it was a cool touch when the Columbia was discovered in the 24th century.
Your ideal New Trek Series
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I actually found that part of the story more interesting than the Borg portions. But, overall, still a kickass set of books.
Yes, I agree, I thought finding the Columbia was more interesting. I thought it would have been cool if that mystery had been left a mystery.
I have been watching Riverworld. Featured are historical costumes, from different cultures and different centuries. Quite interesting contrasts, I wish they had used even more diverse costuming.
Which would be the vast, overwhelming majority of all three. Really, our galaxy is utterly gigantic. Take every since polity in Trek, even the Pakleds, assume they each get a couple of thousand star systems, plump them all into even one galactic quadrant and you still have something line ninety-five percent (or more) unexplored space left in that quadrant alone!
Oddly enough, it would resemble Lost In Space, when the Jupiter 2 initially ended up in an unexplored part of space.
I was watching the B5 episode "Hunter, Prey". Sheridan is looking at Ambassador Kosh's ship. Sheridan comments that the Vorlons must be a thousand years ahead (compared to Earth technology). If an alien species had technology a thousand years ahead of the Federation, how would they behave? Of course, we have already seen the Borg. On the other hand, would a super civilization covertly study the Federation?
Exactly what was seen in ENT 4.11 "Observer Effect". An effective episode, except spoiled at the end by Archer giving the aliens a lecture on how awesome humans are (though I suppose Picard occasionally said the same thing to Q).
I don't know. In TNG I felt the Q were portrayed(as least initially) as omniscient, and indifferent. It was hubris combined with ignorance that led mankind's negative perceptions of the Q. And I thought that was an interesting narrative. Q got a bit silly in some episodes, however for the most part, they were true to the character. In the finale, TNG came full circle and restored the Q to what they were meant to be.
Over time, the Q evolved to be a bit of a joke, but TNG never got half as bad as Voyager in that regard.
Over time, the Q evolved to be a bit of a joke, but TNG never got half as bad as Voyager in that regard.
I kind of like the idea of the hero ship being an old beater workhorse. Like Picard's earlier command, the Stargazer.
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I'd like to see a ST series that is dark and pessimistic and does not reference any other ST series or any ST movie in any way. For example, a scenario at least 100 years after the end of Voyager where both the Fed and Starfleet have fallen on hard times and the characters are at the end of an era and trying to breathe new life into both.
I wouldn't go as far as to discard all previous Trek, but I was thinking, apropos of a remark about "Game of Thrones in space", that what a future TV series could use is a large oncoming threat. Something that would take several seasons to prepare for, several seasons to live through, and then a long tail of recovery and adjustment. This would be a good way to explore many aspects of the Trek universe cultures and philosophies without recourse to the old stand-alone episode approach.
The threat wouldn't have to be military - in fact it would be better as a huge natural threat, which would have military consequences anyway, e.g. wars started when huge populations attempt to flee the danger zone.
Possibilities: a black hole as a consequence of an attempt to create a new power source; a collision with a passing mini-galaxy (explore new worlds!); a spread of deadly radiation from galactic centre; an incurable space-born pathogen.
The threat wouldn't have to be military - in fact it would be better as a huge natural threat, which would have military consequences anyway, e.g. wars started when huge populations attempt to flee the danger zone.
Possibilities: a black hole as a consequence of an attempt to create a new power source; a collision with a passing mini-galaxy (explore new worlds!); a spread of deadly radiation from galactic centre; an incurable space-born pathogen.
While I understand the desire, I would be concerned about backlash in a similar fashion to DS9, with the darkness of war overshadowing it and casting a bigger negative cloud over Rodenberry's optimistic future.
I think the breathing new life in to an the Federation is a good starting port, as the Federation begins exploring anew, if after another war, to relieve a strain on resources and get out again. A more positive looking out, rather than looking out for fear of enemies.
Also, as a point of discussion, if it is not related to any other series, why the time frame of 100 years out? Just curious
While I understand the desire, I would be concerned about backlash in a similar fashion to DS9, with the darkness of war overshadowing it and casting a bigger negative cloud over Rodenberry's optimistic future.
I think the breathing new life in to an the Federation is a good starting port, as the Federation begins exploring anew, if after another war, to relieve a strain on resources and get out again. A more positive looking out, rather than looking out for fear of enemies.
Also, as a point of discussion, if it is not related to any other series, why the time frame of 100 years out? Just curious
No matter how they do it, they can't please everyone. Change to much and they alienate the fanboys. Change too little and alienate anyone who wants something noticeably different.
100 years was just a rough idea. Enough time for a lot of events to take place and establish a completely different culture from the TNG-VOY culture.
While I understand the desire, I would be concerned about backlash in a similar fashion to DS9, with the darkness of war overshadowing it and casting a bigger negative cloud over Rodenberry's optimistic future.
I think the breathing new life in to an the Federation is a good starting port, as the Federation begins exploring anew, if after another war, to relieve a strain on resources and get out again. A more positive looking out, rather than looking out for fear of enemies.
Also, as a point of discussion, if it is not related to any other series, why the time frame of 100 years out? Just curious
No matter how they do it, they can't please everyone. Change to much and they alienate the fanboys. Change too little and alienate anyone who wants something noticeably different.
100 years was just a rough idea. Enough time for a lot of events to take place and establish a completely different culture from the TNG-VOY culture.
I get that there is no pleasing everyone, as Abrams very much demonstrated. The point and purpose of any new series should be to carry through the optimistic future vision that humanity can grow in to the stars.
I think, if you have a darker view, you present too much of a grim picture without any sort of hope for the future. That might suit with nuBSG but it doesn't seem to suit Trek, at least not without a glimmer of hope. As much as ID gets criticism for being, well dark there is still a glimmer of that hope that the better part of humanity can shine forward.
As I said earlier, regardless of the setting of a new series, a more optimistic viewpoint of human future, and the alliances they form should be a strong theme, as well as an exploration emphasis, carrying forward the idea of the frontier.
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