Well, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_venom#Non-lethal_version:
Although it cites no sources, I won't quibble, and I guess I'm not really surprised. So, I guess since this is a cartoon, it's not proven they died.
Ahh, but the point is, usually cartoons are required to prove the victims didn't die -- to show that anyone knocked out is still breathing or moaning, that anyone whose plane was blown up parachuted out in time, etc. Standard censorship rules for US cartoons are quite firm about ruling out even the possibility that the characters died. What we saw here was quite ambiguous -- the victims fell profoundly still after the Joker venom took hold, with no signs of life. Even that, even showing something that could possibly be interpreted as death, is going beyond what would be allowed in a TV-Y or Y7 show.
well when the plants released the gas again at the end Joker made it sound like everyone was going to die from it.
Finally got a chance to watch Revelation, just in time for tomorrow's ep. 
I thought it was really good. Some of the Injustice League seemed a bit... off. Brent Spiner's Joker (didn't realize that was him until this thread) was a lot more quietly sinister and psychopathic than I was expecting - it worked after I got used to it, but it was neither Mark Hamill's over-the-top or Heath Ledger's random chaos. Poison Ivy too seemed a lot less seductive and more straightforwardly violent; again, it worked, just different. Black Adam, Ultra Humanite, and Atomic Skull had no lines. Count Vertigo and Wotan, otoh, I thought were really well done. Overall happy with it.
Now, what seemed weird was the revelation of The Light. I'm sorry, but Adam and Humanite are the dupes, while Queen Bee (Queen Bee?!) and the Brain are in the Light? It seems like things are a bit backwards there, but we'll see. I do hope Queen Bee gets a good-sized role... a Greg Weisman villain played by Marina Sirtis is something the world needs more of.
Lots of good stuff happening in this episode - I seriously questioned the plan of sending Young Justice after the heavy-hitting supervillains, but considering their only mission was to blow up the control center and they are supposed to be covert ops, it makes sense. Good thing Kaldur thought to bring along the Helmet of Fate though - I was seriously wondering if that was gonna be the end of him and he'd be permanently Fate now. I mean, I'm glad he's not - but Nabu being convinced to let a second candidate go (and this one much better suited) is playing with fire. And of course, his voice is awesome.
Artemis' "I feel naked and not in a fun way" stuck out to me too, and that's when I realized - hey, the teenagers in this show really are talking and acting like real teenagers. I mean, superhero teenagers, but teens nonetheless. Emotional issues (Superboy - and does any Kryptonian in this universe not brood?), developing friendships, pairing up, evolving in relationships.
I thought it was really good. Some of the Injustice League seemed a bit... off. Brent Spiner's Joker (didn't realize that was him until this thread) was a lot more quietly sinister and psychopathic than I was expecting - it worked after I got used to it, but it was neither Mark Hamill's over-the-top or Heath Ledger's random chaos. Poison Ivy too seemed a lot less seductive and more straightforwardly violent; again, it worked, just different. Black Adam, Ultra Humanite, and Atomic Skull had no lines. Count Vertigo and Wotan, otoh, I thought were really well done. Overall happy with it.
Now, what seemed weird was the revelation of The Light. I'm sorry, but Adam and Humanite are the dupes, while Queen Bee (Queen Bee?!) and the Brain are in the Light? It seems like things are a bit backwards there, but we'll see. I do hope Queen Bee gets a good-sized role... a Greg Weisman villain played by Marina Sirtis is something the world needs more of.
Lots of good stuff happening in this episode - I seriously questioned the plan of sending Young Justice after the heavy-hitting supervillains, but considering their only mission was to blow up the control center and they are supposed to be covert ops, it makes sense. Good thing Kaldur thought to bring along the Helmet of Fate though - I was seriously wondering if that was gonna be the end of him and he'd be permanently Fate now. I mean, I'm glad he's not - but Nabu being convinced to let a second candidate go (and this one much better suited) is playing with fire. And of course, his voice is awesome.
Artemis' "I feel naked and not in a fun way" stuck out to me too, and that's when I realized - hey, the teenagers in this show really are talking and acting like real teenagers. I mean, superhero teenagers, but teens nonetheless. Emotional issues (Superboy - and does any Kryptonian in this universe not brood?), developing friendships, pairing up, evolving in relationships.
Weisman's influences are almost strictly pre-90s DC with exception to the YJ comic and stuff that he wrote.
Queen Bee pre-Crisis was a major Justice League villain then.
Black Adam and Ultra Humanite weren't heavy hitters yet. Black Adam hadn't been introduced yet.
The same for the White Martians who
look nothing like the Grant Morrison versions and more like their Pre-Crisis incarnations
Fair points, and I meant to note I appreciated you posting that bit earlier. Though it'd be re-introduced in Black Adam's case, yes?
And I realize a lot of where Black Adam is now is thanks to Geoff Johns and co. Just seemed (along with Brain, and Klarion the Witch Boy except for his big part in "Denial") like an odd choice.
But I'll be very happy with Queen Bee if she's even half the villain Demona was.
I enjoyed it immensely. 
So, there's still a mole yet to be discovered?
This was an impressive episode, very well written by Weisman. Zatanna was a nice addition; I expected that she'd be the key to saving the team because Red Tornado didn't already know her moves, but it was good that it wasn't easy, that she was just one part of the solution.
I loved the bit where Robin said they needed someone to think of a dumb idea and everyone turned to Wally. Normally the gag would be "Why's everyone looking at me?", so I love the way Weisman subverted that by having Wally just accept that he was the "dumb idea" guy and say, "As a matter of fact..." (Then again, how did Wally know so much about volcanoes?)
Though I don't like Zatanna forcing Ivo to talk. It's not only unethical but unnecessary. Morrow was Ivo's rival, so they should've simply said "Helping us will hurt your rival," and Ivo would've cooperated.
The main thing that bugged me, though, was that the Justice League didn't seem to be aware of the looming supervolcano explosion. You'd think they would've raced to the scene as soon as the seismic upheavals started. Given the threat posed by the Yellowstone supercaldera, it would surely be under constant monitoring by any superheroic agency. And even if somehow they weren't alerted in advance, they surely would've noticed that huge plume of volcanic ash that RT sent into space.
Also, should Wally's arm still be healing a week after his injury? He's a Flash, after all. Presumably his healing would be accelerated along with everything else.
If anything, it seemed to me that the opposite is true, that RT's arc as a character pursuing growth is just beginning.
And no, they said that RT was never the mole, either intentionally or under Morrow's mind control. It was explained that he chose to go with Red Inferno and Red Torpedo voluntarily in order to protect the team and find his creator. So that means that either there still is a mole (my bet's on Superboy due to some subconscious programming) or Sportsmaster was lying about there being a mole in order to mess with the team.
I loved the bit where Robin said they needed someone to think of a dumb idea and everyone turned to Wally. Normally the gag would be "Why's everyone looking at me?", so I love the way Weisman subverted that by having Wally just accept that he was the "dumb idea" guy and say, "As a matter of fact..." (Then again, how did Wally know so much about volcanoes?)
Though I don't like Zatanna forcing Ivo to talk. It's not only unethical but unnecessary. Morrow was Ivo's rival, so they should've simply said "Helping us will hurt your rival," and Ivo would've cooperated.
The main thing that bugged me, though, was that the Justice League didn't seem to be aware of the looming supervolcano explosion. You'd think they would've raced to the scene as soon as the seismic upheavals started. Given the threat posed by the Yellowstone supercaldera, it would surely be under constant monitoring by any superheroic agency. And even if somehow they weren't alerted in advance, they surely would've noticed that huge plume of volcanic ash that RT sent into space.
Also, should Wally's arm still be healing a week after his injury? He's a Flash, after all. Presumably his healing would be accelerated along with everything else.
If anything, it seemed to me that the opposite is true, that RT's arc as a character pursuing growth is just beginning.
And no, they said that RT was never the mole, either intentionally or under Morrow's mind control. It was explained that he chose to go with Red Inferno and Red Torpedo voluntarily in order to protect the team and find his creator. So that means that either there still is a mole (my bet's on Superboy due to some subconscious programming) or Sportsmaster was lying about there being a mole in order to mess with the team.
I got the impression that Wally's arm was either already healed (and he was just milking it) or it was healing at a significantly accelerated rate for bone fractures.
Average time for an lower arm fracture to heal is roughly 6 weeks.
So if it's been less than a week, he's probably still ahead of the curve.
Also, I thought the fact that Wally was the one who knew about Volcanoes was fantastic. He's supposed to be a science nerd after all.
Average time for an lower arm fracture to heal is roughly 6 weeks.
So if it's been less than a week, he's probably still ahead of the curve.
Also, I thought the fact that Wally was the one who knew about Volcanoes was fantastic. He's supposed to be a science nerd after all.
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This was a decent ep. Zatanna was fun to see.
I'm betting there isn't much of a park left after all that, either.
Zee!!! The producers did say while doing various press junkets and interviews that we would eventually see Zatanna and that she would be a reoccurring character.
And apparent crush for Robin with Kaldur odd man out.
Wonder if Billy Batson will get to know the kids outside of his Captain Marvel persona?
Wonder if Billy Batson will get to know the kids outside of his Captain Marvel persona?
That MIGHT be a characteristic of Bart when he became Kid Flash in the comics. He had the desire to better himself, so he went and quickly (duh) read all the books in the library, so sorta became a know it all. Without the experience to really understand it, just facts.
I feel like there was another episode where Wally displayed a sort of encyclopedic knowledge of something.
Wally has been pretty well established as the go-to member of the team for anything scientific.
I agree with the point that the seismic activity should at a minimum have triggered a JL trouble alert.
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I'd like to add that the artwork is spectacular. For example, the cloud art is top-notch IMO.
I agree with the point that the seismic activity should at a minimum have triggered a JL trouble alert.
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I'd like to add that the artwork is spectacular. For example, the cloud art is top-notch IMO.
