"You and Ezri are exchanging books?"

[Rush Limborg]

Call this a speculation thread....

See, a moment in "Extreme Measures" got me thinking--namely, after Bashir realized something is amiss upon reading--in the middle of "A Tale Of Two Cities", "It was the best of times..."

Julian notes to Miles that Ezri had loned him that classic work, to which Miles asks, "You and Ezri...are exchanging books?"--and Julian replies, "Oh, forget about that!"

Anyway...it got me thinking: "I wonder...what other books would Ezri and Julian exchange?"

Knowing what we know about Julian's tastes in literature, and his and Ezri's personalities and interests...what are your thoughts on this?

Speculate away, folks!

 

[ares93]

well, i can certainly picture Ezri psychoanalyzing that cardassian book where everyone is guilty. :-) id love to read that book btw. OT i'd probably loan her The Calling. aside from that book , i dunno. i doubt she can read hungarian...

oh and FYI. one of the worlds best books, no doubt. two cities, i mean.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Personally, I hope Julian gave her a book entitled, "How not to be an annoying little psycho-babbling Ally McTrill." But then, even if he did, it obviously didn't work...

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Not an Ezri fan. Carry on.

 

[ares93]

Personally, I hope Julian gave her a book entitled, "How not to be an annoying little psycho-babbling Ally McTrill." But then, even if he did, it obviously didn't work...

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Not an Ezri fan. Carry on.

well after Unjoined, she kind of had that one coming. but just a word of advice. this is Rush's thread... saying bad things about ezri is not advised

 

[Rush Limborg]

^Dang right.

well, i can certainly picture Ezri psychoanalyzing that cardassian book where everyone is guilty. :-) id love to read that book btw.

Yeah...that's a good point. On that note, I'll bet Ezri has a copy of Crime And Punishment, for similar reasons. We know the main character is guilty--but it's still a great thrill to read, I think, because of the psychological elements.

OT i'd probably loan her The Calling. aside from that book , i dunno.

Is that David Mack's book?

oh and FYI. one of the worlds best books, no doubt. two cities, i mean.

Yep. I'm actually looking into his last work, The Mystery of Edwin Drood. I'd thought I'd try and solve that unfinished case myself....

I wonder if Julian and Ezri would have compared notes on that one.

 

[ares93]

^Dang right.

Yeah...that's a good point. On that note, I'll bet Ezri has a copy of Crime And Punishment, for similar reasons. We know the main character is guilty--but it's still a great thrill to read, I think, because of the psychological elements.

funny you should mention it. my psychology teacher gave us that book to read the other day.

Is that David Mack's book?

yup, it is. in four months i went from not having a single book written by him to having a shelf full on them.

Yep. I'm actually looking into his last work, The Mystery of Edwin Drood. I'd thought I'd try and solve that unfinished case myself....

i have that book some where. unfortunately in swedish, which is a terrible language to translate old english into. never had the patience to try to decipher the thing.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

well, i can certainly picture Ezri psychoanalyzing that cardassian book where everyone is guilty. :-) id love to read that book btw. OT i'd probably loan her The Calling. aside from that book , i dunno. i doubt she can read hungarian...

oh and FYI. one of the worlds best books, no doubt. two cities, i mean.

Everyone's guilty? Sounds a lot like Murder on the Orient Express.
Bashir, being Bashir, would probably enjoy the Sherlock Holmes stories. Or more of Agatha Christie's stories. I don't know about Ezri, but Garak would definitely enjoy those too...but this thread isn't about Garak.

 

[ares93]

Everyone's guilty? Sounds a lot like Murder on the Orient Express.
Bashir, being Bashir, would probably enjoy the Sherlock Holmes stories. Or more of Agatha Christie's stories. I don't know about Ezri, but Garak would definitely enjoy those too...but this thread isn't about Garak.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Enigma_tale this is the writing style i speak of. i'm thinking of writing an enigma style fanfic, but i'm not exactly sure how to write the story so it doesn't get confusing.

 

[DevilEyes]

Yep. I'm actually looking into his last work, The Mystery of Edwin Drood. I'd thought I'd try and solve that unfinished case myself....

i have that book some where. unfortunately in swedish, which is a terrible language to translate old english into. never had the patience to try to decipher the thing.

Old English? I don't think Dickens wrote in Old English/Anglo-Saxon... he wouldn't have found a lot of audience if he had, unless he time-traveled to 8th or 9th century...

Sorry, people talking about "Old English" inaccurately is just a pet peeve of mine.

Anyway, I presume Ezri owns some Trill books. I wonder what Trill literature is like...

 

[Rush Limborg]

well, i can certainly picture Ezri psychoanalyzing that cardassian book where everyone is guilty. :-) id love to read that book btw. OT i'd probably loan her The Calling. aside from that book , i dunno. i doubt she can read hungarian...

oh and FYI. one of the worlds best books, no doubt. two cities, i mean.

Everyone's guilty? Sounds a lot like Murder on the Orient Express.
Bashir, being Bashir, would probably enjoy the Sherlock Holmes stories. Or more of Agatha Christie's stories. I don't know about Ezri, but Garak would definitely enjoy those too...but this thread isn't about Garak.

I could easily picture Julian loving the works of Ian Flemming.

Also, I'd say, at least after "Field of Fire", Ezri might take a liking to Holmes.

 

[ares93]

Old English? I don't think Dickens wrote in Old English/Anglo-Saxon... he wouldn't have found a lot of audience if he had, unless he time-traveled to 8th or 9th century...

Sorry, people talking about "Old English" inaccurately is just a pet peeve of mine.

Anyway, I presume Ezri owns some Trill books. I wonder what Trill literature is like...

well, if you had ever read the english-swedish translations from that time period you'd see my point. but alright, not as old then. middle aged english? is that better?

and yeah, the trill language has always fascinated me. kind of reminds me of some old african language.
I'nora, ja'kala Dax... zhian'shee, Lela tanus rem...Gon'dar, Jadzia-tor...
btw anyone have the ezri-joran thingy transcripted? from field of fire. i could really use it for my fanfic. my season 7 disc is dead and the download will take weeks apparently...

oh and sorry about the thread jacking

 

[DevilEyes]

Old English? I don't think Dickens wrote in Old English/Anglo-Saxon... he wouldn't have found a lot of audience if he had, unless he time-traveled to 8th or 9th century...

Sorry, people talking about "Old English" inaccurately is just a pet peeve of mine.

Anyway, I presume Ezri owns some Trill books. I wonder what Trill literature is like...

well, if you had ever read the english-swedish translations from that time period you'd see my point. but alright, not as old then. middle aged english? is that better?

Well... no. Dickens wrote in Modern English. So did Shakespeare, BTW. "Middle English" is 12th to 15th century... Chaucer etc.

You know, although I don't speak Swedish, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more similar to Old English than to English. I had to learn it at the university, and it to my ears it sounded a bit like a Scandinavian language... which is not surprising, I guess. I remember seeing the lyrics of a Sigur Ros song and thinking "This looks like Old English?!" before I was told what it was... So, at least when written down, Old English looks a bit like Icelandic, they have some similar letters.

OK, sorry for hijacking the thread, now we're going back to our regular schedule...

 

[Rush Limborg]

and yeah, the trill language has always fascinated me. kind of reminds me of some old african language.
I'nora, ja'kala Dax... zhian'shee, Lela tanus rem...Gon'dar, Jadzia-tor...
btw anyone have the ezri-joran thingy transcripted? from field of fire. i could really use it for my fanfic. my season 7 disc is dead and the download will take weeks apparently...

Ask and you shall recieve:

I’nora, ja’kala vok…
‘za (name of current host),
zhian’tara rek…
pora’al Zheem (name of symbiont),
Tanas Rhem (name of past host).

From the end of the ep:

J’zui vok (name of current host),
Shay-hal-bah-shah.
I’nora, ja’kala vok…
Zheem (name of symbiont)…
nah sass-eye-ahn…
D’za-oo bah-zheest…
(name of past host) rhee jehr hey-dah…
Tu (name of symbiont), noh ‘zhian ‘vok,
J’zui… (name of past host) Rhem Tanas…
(name of current host).

I actually tried my hand at an English translation...but I actually did it from a "religious" standpoint--"I'nora" being the Trill deity/deities (hence, in my tales, Ezri's tired interjections of "Great I'nora...", as opposed to "Oh, God...").

 

[ares93]

and yeah, the trill language has always fascinated me. kind of reminds me of some old african language.
I'nora, ja'kala Dax... zhian'shee, Lela tanus rem...Gon'dar, Jadzia-tor...
btw anyone have the ezri-joran thingy transcripted? from field of fire. i could really use it for my fanfic. my season 7 disc is dead and the download will take weeks apparently...

Ask and you shall recieve:

I’nora, ja’kala vok…
‘za (name of current host),
zhian’tara rek…
pora’al Zheem (name of symbiont),
Tanas Rhem (name of past host).

From the end of the ep:

J’zui vok (name of current host),
Shay-hal-bah-shah.
I’nora, ja’kala vok…
Zheem (name of symbiont)…
nah sass-eye-ahn…
D’za-oo bah-zheest…
(name of past host) rhee jehr hey-dah…
Tu (name of symbiont), noh ‘zhian ‘vok,
J’zui… (name of past host) Rhem Tanas…
(name of current host).

I actually tried my hand at an English translation...but I actually did it from a "religious" standpoint--"I'nora" being the Trill deity/deities (hence, in my tales, Ezri's tired interjections of "Great I'nora...", as opposed to "Oh, God...").

thank you, it shall be implemented immediately.
yes, regarding "I'nora" i drew the same conclusion. (and i'm not the only one. google "inora" in different variations.) except i used the bajoran religious style. "oh prophets" to "oh I'nora" when the shit is about to hit the fan. "May I'nora guide you." even made a trill wedding ceremony. but must say "Great I'nora" has a better ring to it.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Old English is almost a foreign language to Modern English.

Just for comparision....

Old English = Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum,
Modern English = Father of ours, thou who art in heaven,
(The opening line of the Lord's Prayer)

Middle English = Whan that Aueryłł wt his shoures soote,
Modern English = When in April, the sweet showers fall
(from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales)

Early Modern English = For vnto you is borne this day, in the citie of Dauid, a Sauiour, which is Christ the Lord.
Modern English = For unto you is born this day, in the city of David, a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.
(from the King James Bible - Luke 2:11)

But, as for Ezri and Bashir - I can definitely see Bashir giving Ezri some Ian Fleming to read.

Personally, I hope Julian gave her a book entitled, "How not to be an annoying little psycho-babbling Ally McTrill." But then, even if he did, it obviously didn't work...

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Not an Ezri fan. Carry on.

There will no criticism of Ezri!

 

[ares93]

Old English is almost a foreign language to Modern English.

Just for comparision....

Old English = Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum,
Modern English = Father of ours, thou who art in heaven,
(The opening line of the Lord's Prayer)

Middle English = Whan that Aueryłł wt his shoures soote,
Modern English = When in April, the sweet showers fall
(from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales)

Early Modern English = For vnto you is borne this day, in the citie of Dauid, a Sauiour, which is Christ the Lord.
Modern English = For unto you is born this day, in the city of David, a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.
(from the King James Bible - Luke 2:11)

But, as for Ezri and Bashir - I can definitely see Bashir giving Ezri some Ian Fleming to read.

i can admit when i'm wrong. i hereby stand corrected. but keep in mind that this is you native tongue and i'm only doing CAE for the moment. extenuating circumstances, if you will.

Devileyes: closest would be danish, not icelandic. grammatically i mean. they letters yes, but the grammar is different.

 

[DevilEyes]

Old English is almost a foreign language to Modern English.

Just for comparision....

Old English = Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum,
Modern English = Father of ours, thou who art in heaven,
(The opening line of the Lord's Prayer)

Middle English = Whan that Aueryłł wt his shoures soote,
Modern English = When in April, the sweet showers fall
(from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales)

Early Modern English = For vnto you is borne this day, in the citie of Dauid, a Sauiour, which is Christ the Lord.
Modern English = For unto you is born this day, in the city of David, a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.
(from the King James Bible - Luke 2:11)

But, as for Ezri and Bashir - I can definitely see Bashir giving Ezri some Ian Fleming to read.

i can admit when i'm wrong. i hereby stand corrected. but keep in mind that this is you native tongue and i'm only doing CAE for the moment. extenuating circumstances, if you will.

Devileyes: closest would be danish, not icelandic. grammatically i mean. they letters yes, but the grammar is different.

To English, or to Old English? Old English had a very different and more complicated grammar from Modern English, with grammatical gender, lots of inflections for tenses, cases etc. that got lost during the Middle English period.

 

[ares93]

To English, or to Old English? Old English had a very different and more complicated grammar from Modern English, with grammatical gender, lots of inflections for tenses, cases etc. that got lost during the Middle English period.

old english. also old danish 14th century is very similar. but even with modern danish, you can see the resemblance. if you know what you're looking for, that is.

 

[Rush Limborg]

But, as for Ezri and Bashir - I can definitely see Bashir giving Ezri some Ian Fleming to read.

Yeah, it's funny. For all the talk about how "sexist" the Bond books (and films) are...the majority of "Bond Girls" are actually quite confident, self-reliant, and capable of holding their own.

I'd say Ezri would be particularly fascinated with the Bond-Vesper arc in Casino Royale.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Maybe Ezri gave Bashir a copy of Worf's favourite book, The Final Reflection by John M. Ford. Ezri wasn't big into Klingon stuff so maybe she was eager to off-load it...