Yikes! Did season 1 episode 6 use AI-generated art?

[Christopher]

All I'm saying it can be a valuable tool

And I've already said that it probably can be in some contexts, but too often it isn't. And again, no amount of value is enough to justify the plagiarism and the threat to the environment and to people's careers. Solve those massive ethical problems first, and then I'll be open to the possibilities.

 

[trekfan_1]

And I've already said that it probably can be in some contexts, but too often it isn't. And again, no amount of value is enough to justify the plagiarism and the threat to the environment and to people's careers. Solve those massive ethical problems first, and then I'll be open to the possibilities.

But how do you measure " too often "? Too often from your experience ? As we all know , the news/ social media is slanted negative. I'm sure there are numerous examples citing it's i
misuse. But how do we really know if it's " too often". I'm certain there's plenty of positive use out there but those likely does not get as much attention as the negative stuff

"No amount of value"..so that i assume also includes my personal value I found and other people's value. Fine if that's how you feel. You're opinion is yours.

There are many perfectly useful tools in life that someone can misuse and create a crime. The internet made it easier for terrorists to make a bomb. Doesn't mean we should stop using the internet .

 

[Mudd]

We've been making fire for half a million years, give or take. People die in fires every day.

The phrase "controlling technology" has a musty air of hubris about it.

 

[trekfan_1]

"Matches and lighters make it too easy to commit arson . We should first stop people from wanting to start fires and then we can start selling matches and lighters"......um no

Doesn't work like that

 

[Mudd]

This nails it down. Watch it or don't.

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It probably means a much smaller film industry in terms of job numbers which sucks, clearly. But media and entertainment has never really cared about that.

Just like TV cut into people reading books and newspapers and it made it harder to make a living as a writer, or photography put portrait painters out of business.

It's just the ruthless same cycle again and again in the arts because in a free marketplace, people will watch whatever they want to watch, whatever they think is the best.

They just don't care about how it's made if it was good.

 

[trekfan_1]

And I've already said that it probably can be in some contexts, but too often it isn't. And again, no amount of value is enough to justify the plagiarism and the threat to the environment and to people's careers. Solve those massive ethical problems first, and then I'll be open to the possibilities.

Any value in this?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/morrisseau-art-fraud-1.7589690

How AI, robotics and late artist Norval Morrisseau are helping fight art fraud

"Finding fakes is time consuming work. It requires co-operation from galleries and private collectors, a trained, critical eye cast on anything purporting to be made by the late artist and the patience to keep pursuing justice through the court system.

But now a new tool has emerged to help the battle: artificial intelligence"

Now ,this is much more advanced than a free level A.I tool . But in my opinion, there's still allot of positive value you can get from it depending on the subject matter and scope. Thats where you can apply own judgment.

 

[Rahul]

I’m sorry, but I’m honestly kind of baffled at the lack of empathy demonstrated with statements like these. Should I just welcome the very real prospect of the business that employs me right now going bankrupt and finding myself unemployed in a job market that doesn’t even really need my skillset anymore? I’m dumbfounded what could possibly be so hard to grasp about this. Being accepting of the progression of technology is one thing, but just defeatedly walking straight into destitution and giving myself a pat on the back for how future forward I am as a science-fiction fan? One can be perfectly curious about AI and willing to work with it and still be skeptical and wary about the real world implications that technology brings with it. I’m not really interested in this becoming a protracted argument, but please — from one human being to another — think about what you said there just for a minute. Thank you.

I imagine it's probably a lot easier to say when it's not your career, not your copyright being violated, and not your water being used for frivolous shit.


That's where I'm at.

I can emphasize with the fear. I'm not unaffected.
But I'm going to be extremely blunt with you:

Coal is going to destroy the world via CO2 emissions. That's why the whole world (except you know...) switches to new technology like renewables and/or nuclear. There's just no other way if we want to survive.
This affects THOUSANDS of coal miners, families, entire cities and communities. And yet we all expect this from them.

AI is the first time that innovations comes directly for the jugular for white collar jobs. And it turns out - all the people that told the blue collars to "just adapt & do some training for another type of job" are all extremely scared and change averse as well. They just thought they would never be targeted.

My job is also directly threatened by AI. But it is not the first time it is threatened by new technologies. The tools & methods I learned at university are already completely out of use. I learned to do stuff on paper, that's now done by computers. And I'm not even THAT old.

So yeah. Adapt or die - for society as a whole. If we don't adapt to these new technologies, we'll all go the way England's coal & manufacturing economy went.

 

[Rahul]

FYI that doesn't mean AI is the solution for everything - using LLMs for logic tasks is probably the worst idea possible.

Also like half the time AI just takes the blame for company lay-offs that were already planned anyway (don't even need to hire a consulting agency to justify the cuts...).

But that being said - AI technologies is going to change the world in ways we can't currently anticipate (and that also means a majority of ideas right now are junk...).
So we have to adapt & make life livable with it.

 

[trekfan_1]

End of the day - The positive value that I have personally gotten from a.i tools ( and others' personal positive value) shouldn't be discounted or minimized just because some people are using it to commit fraud.

 

[jackoverfull]

As of now I see some sensible concerns about ai, such as:

-immense resource consumption > this is being worked on with the help of AI
-the potential for a dramatic impact on employment > this is concerning, but it WILL happen, it’s up to us to make it happen with as few negative effects as pissible
-damages to someone’s job > I emphasise, but the writing has been on the wall for at least a decade, where were you?
-an AI hallucinating may cause damages > true, but hallucinations are fewer each day and honestly if you take what any machine (or human!) tells you for granted you are at fault, not the machine.

And many that aren’t sensible at all:

-AI isn’t really intelligent > are you?
-AI just produces plagiarism > so do most artists, in fact you’ll be able to use ai to identify the source of someone’s influence
-AI isn’t just predictive text > no, for all purposes it’s not
-this isn’t really AI > what is?
-AI only leads to wasting time > it definitely does not. When it does it’s more and more each day user error.

 

[Mudd]

:

-AI isn’t really intelligent > are you?
-AI just produces plagiarism > so do most artists, in fact you’ll be able to use ai to identify the source of someone’s influence
-AI isn’t just predictive text > no, for all purposes it’s not
-this isn’t really AI > what is?
-AI only leads to wasting time > it definitely does not. When it does it’s more and more each day user error.

Add to wh8ch, these criticisms really don't show any grasp of AI or its current capabilities. They read like a boiled down regurgitation of someone's three-year-old generic Quora answer.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Personally, I have no problem if the Miyaki comic in the ep was AI generated. There is nothing wrong with using AI to create artwork as long as the artwork is original and not copyrighted. For example, the AI videos of John Wick fighting Brad Pitt are bad because they are using the image of Keanu Reeves and Brad Pitt without permission. But I can use AI to generate new original characters. In that instance, AI is just a tool. It is no different than an artist who used to use a pencil to draw a cartoon. Gen AI is just a more high tech version of a pencil. Now if the Starfleet Academy writers or artists claimed that they did not use AI when they did, that would be a lie and quite embarassing. But the use of AI itself to create the art would not be ethically problematic imo.

 

[tenmei]

-immense resource consumption > this is being worked on with the help of AI

We're going to figure out how not to consume immense resources ... by consuming immense resources?

 

[Christopher]

"No amount of value"..so that i assume also includes my personal value I found and other people's value. Fine if that's how you feel. You're opinion is yours.

I have been literally stolen from by these things. It's more than an opinion -- I've been directly harmed by the theft of my intellectual property to train LLMs, and a court has already determined that I and thousands of others are owed financial compensation for that harm, though we're only likely to see a fraction of what we would have gotten if the companies had acquired the rights to our work legitimately. So kindly don't act as if you're the wounded party here just because I don't share your opinion.

 

[Set Harth]

Coal is going to destroy the world via CO2 emissions.

Any day now!

 

[jackoverfull]

We're going to figure out how not to consume immense resources ... by consuming immense resources?

Actually yes. And it’s not a new concept either, think about it.

To feed our body we need to move it, causing the need to feed it more, for a very basic analogy.

Anyway, AI is now being used to design chips that consume less, this obtaining the same results with less resources, and to work on the quantum computing refrigeration issue, which, once solved, would mean a huge leap in availability of computing power, making the current resource intensive AI use a problem of the past.

 

[trekfan_1]

I have been literally stolen from by these things. It's more than an opinion -- I've been directly harmed by the theft of my intellectual property to train LLMs, and a court has already determined that I and thousands of others are owed financial compensation for that harm, though we're only likely to see a fraction of what we would have gotten if the companies had acquired the rights to our work legitimately. So kindly don't act as if you're the wounded party here just because I don't share your opinion.

I’m not dismissing your experience or trying to say I’m the wounded party. If your work was used without consent and a court agreed that compensation is owed, that’s fair.

My broader/main point isn’t that creators shouldn’t be protected. It’s that the technology itself isn’t going away, even if companies are compelled to change how they train or compensate. There’s a difference between defending unethical corporate behavior and acknowledging that A.I. tools will remain and will likely need to change. I just don’t think it should disappear. Humans who used your property to train a.i tools are primarily to blame. Not the technology in itself .

If you take note of what I’m saying, it’s “blame the behavior,” not the technology itself. Torrents themselves are not illegal. But using torrents to pirate or distribute copywrite material is.

As a side note, you said there can be some limited positive context for its use, but you also called it a Ouija board. A Ouija board, to me, is like throwing darts at a board blindfolded to get solutions. A.I. tools are definitely more than that. There is allot more rhyme and reason to it.

I'm sorry about your experience. But that doesn't mean my positive experience with its measured and legal use should mean nothing or little.

 

[tenmei]

Chat GPT is estimated to use betweem 85 thousand and 40 million gallons of water per day.

The average 4 person household consumes about 100 gallons per day - on top of the amount Chat GPT uses.

Your example is hardly equivalent -

To feed our body we need to move it, causing the need to feed it more, for a very basic analogy.

 

[Mudd]

Everyone's got grievances. The world spins on.

We're not facing the ethical issues and potential loss of livelihoods here from some Utopian plateau in which artists and writers are perfectly protected and all their rights respected. Creators get screwed and their work stolen every day within the current system; it's a challenge for all but a relative few to make their livings as artists or writers or performers. So we're fighting the consequences of rapidly changing business processes out in a quicksand pit.

 

[Fateor]

-an AI hallucinating may cause damages > true, but hallucinations are fewer each day and honestly if you take what any machine (or human!) tells you for granted you are at fault, not the machine.

Actually LLM Hallucinations have been increasing.