Yet Another Clip from Phase II's "Mind-Sifter"

[GSchnitzer]

GSchnitzer, I don't think you understand what I said.

What I mean is, if the Klingons figured out that Spock gave false information on Organia, they might still conclude that the sifter would have worked on him if they had turned it up to a higher setting, even though they didn't try that. Thus, the fact that he seemed immune to the sifter on Organia would not be a reason to rule him out as a candidate for interrogation as a Starfleet officer knowledgeable about time travel.

You need to listen a little bit further for the answer......

But I don't understand what you mean here.

Ah. You're saying that if the Klingons think "We better kidnap Kirk and try to extract information from him because we already tried it on Spock and got nothing," then they would be proceeding from a false assumption that there's nothing more to be gained from Spock. I agree: if the opportunity ever presents itself for the Klingons to kidnap Spock, I'm sure they'd use the mind-sifter on him again with a higher setting. Nothing to lose.

 

[bob reed]

Spock states that Vulcans have a built in shield.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Ah. You're saying that if the Klingons think "We better kidnap Kirk and try to extract information from him because we already tried it on Spock and got nothing," then they would be proceeding from a false assumption that there's nothing more to be gained from Spock. I agree: if the opportunity ever presents itself for the Klingons to kidnap Spock, I'm sure they'd use the mind-sifter on him again with a higher setting. Nothing to lose.

Yes, right, precisely. Thinking about it further just now, really the Klingons should also seize the opportunity to kidnap any of Scotty, Sulu, or even Chekov, because any of them could possibly or even probably spill enough to help the Klingons figure it out.

Spock states that Vulcans have a built in shield.

Yes I know, but two things. Spock is not full Vulcan, and I wouldn't bet money that he couldn't be worn down under the Gitmo treatment of force four sessions every four hours for 100 days. Eventually, Spock would weaken, and even if he didn't in a reasonable amount of time, as GSchnitzer says the Klingons would have nothing to lose by cranking the force level.

From their own perspective, the Klingons should kidnap as many officers from the Enterprise as they can who might have knowledge that would help them.

 

[GSchnitzer]

Ah. You're saying that if the Klingons think "We better kidnap Kirk and try to extract information from him because we already tried it on Spock and got nothing," then they would be proceeding from a false assumption that there's nothing more to be gained from Spock. I agree: if the opportunity ever presents itself for the Klingons to kidnap Spock, I'm sure they'd use the mind-sifter on him again with a higher setting. Nothing to lose.

Yes, right, precisely. Thinking about it further just now, really the Klingons should also seize the opportunity to kidnap any of Scotty, Sulu, or even Chekov, because any of them could possibly or even probably spill enough to help the Klingons figure it out.

Spock states that Vulcans have a built in shield.

Yes I know, but two things. Spock is not full Vulcan, and I wouldn't bet money that he couldn't be worn down under the Gitmo treatment of force four sessions every four hours for 100 days. Eventually, Spock would weaken, and even if he didn't in a reasonable amount of time, as GSchnitzer says the Klingons would have nothing to lose by cranking the force level.

From their own perspective, the Klingons should kidnap as many officers from the Enterprise as they can who might have knowledge that would help them.

Well, this story was about the time that Kirk became available to the Klingons for torturing and the fallout from that; it's not really about a time that a whole starship crew became available for torturing.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Well, this story was about the time that Kirk became available to the Klingons for torturing and the fallout from that; it's not really about a time that a whole starship crew became available for torturing.

Right. I'm looking forward to seeing the episode!

 

[Bixby]

Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, I didn't want to just start a new one when this episode's release may still be months away.

But a couple days ago, Phase 2 unveiled its new Commander Kor character for their summer filming (''Mind-Sifter''), and it was pretty impressive, visual-wise:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202172804391494&set=pcb.10202172806591549&type=1&theater

Added to Phase 2's Finnegan recreation, and STC's new Marlena Moreau, looks like Fan Films are at least staying consistent with characters' previous portrayals. I'm not in the camp for revisiting established characters VS new storylines, but good on them that they at least try to cast right.

 

[doubleohfive]

Call me crazy, but that looks a LOT like Robert Meyer Burnett.

 

[doubleohfive]

Here is another cool video also including sneak peeks: http://video.wired.com/watch/obsess...-the-scenes-in-the-series-star-trek-continues

What does this have to do with Phase II or "Mind Sifter" ?

 

[Warped9]

Here is another cool video also including sneak peeks: http://video.wired.com/watch/obsess...-the-scenes-in-the-series-star-trek-continues

What does this have to do with Phase II or "Mind Sifter" ?

Oops! Wrong thread. Deleted.

 

[ClayinCA]

It looks like the video preview from the beginning of the thread is gone. Any chance of being able to see it now?

 

[PattyW]

The clips aren't available on the Phase II channels because they aren't using this script. They've scrapped all the footage of the script I wrote - which very closely follows Shirley's original fanzine version, as James promised Shirley he would do - and are now using a script Rick Chambers and David Gerrold wrote. (not being part of the production, I have no idea which version of the MS story it follows, nor how closely). They are filming it this June, replacing James with Brian Gross (Kirk), David Sherin with John Kelley (McCoy), John Carrigan (and Anne Carrigan) with Clay Sayre (Warlord Kargh with Captain Kor), and April Marie Eden (Hamlin) with Becky Wood.

You can still see the now scrapped pieces on Gordon Watts channel and a few others. There is a third scene that is set to private...but has some amazing acting in it. I'm tempted to post it but pretty sure that would violate some ownership issues even though it's been scrapped. Though I wrote it I think the footage belongs to the Phase II trash barrel....not to me.

The links to Gordon's clips are here....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzwNXLzu5H

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQKsWtM927E

 

[Maurice]

The first of those links does not work. It's either been pulled down or is set to private.

 

[PattyW]

or I copied the link wrong....here's the correct one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzwNXLzu5Hw