Yesterday's Enterprise - Why not Evacuate Enterprise-C?
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You could also argue that the apparent inconsistencies stem from the fact that we (the audience) are usually along for the ride with our heroes - who often have little more than guesswork to guide their interpretation of events!
And that's before we throw in deliberate deceivers like the Guardian of Forever who I'm pretty sure manipulated events to get Kirk and Spock back to the 1930s where they could cause the death of Edith Keeler (yeah, I'm pinning predestination paradox on that one).
Actual concrete information on the "true" facts of time travel is something we only infer from surrounding events - nothing is what it seems!
And that's before we throw in deliberate deceivers like the Guardian of Forever who I'm pretty sure manipulated events to get Kirk and Spock back to the 1930s where they could cause the death of Edith Keeler (yeah, I'm pinning predestination paradox on that one).
Actual concrete information on the "true" facts of time travel is something we only infer from surrounding events - nothing is what it seems!
Yar's daughter could've been an interesting movie villain. Too bad... a lost opportunity.
It's been awhile since I've seen it but he doesn't order them does he? I mean, they see that it is important and decide to go back. I guess I always thought that they just knew they didn't belong. Often in the next generation they seem aware on some level when they themselves are a temporal anomaly and are aware they don't belong. Cause and Effect springs to mind, but also Picard in All Good Things.
Tasha is aware in Yesterday's Enterprise that she shouldn't be there. I guess I assumed the crew of the Enterprise C just knew they had to go back. I guess that's more obscure as a reason than a scientific one.
But once the captain decided to go back, her crew I think would go just for her. Same way we would expect Riker, Worf, Data and company would follow Picard someplace even if they knew it meant their own deaths.
Either that, or Picard was just sick of Castillo and his mojo interfering with his bridge staff.
Tasha is aware in Yesterday's Enterprise that she shouldn't be there. I guess I assumed the crew of the Enterprise C just knew they had to go back. I guess that's more obscure as a reason than a scientific one.
But once the captain decided to go back, her crew I think would go just for her. Same way we would expect Riker, Worf, Data and company would follow Picard someplace even if they knew it meant their own deaths.
Either that, or Picard was just sick of Castillo and his mojo interfering with his bridge staff.
Just to throw this out there: I believe I remember reading somewhere that certain scientists theorized that time travel is possible, but due to causality you actually travel backwards into the past of a pre-existing parallel universe, so that you don't so much create the parallel as become aware of it. This would eliminate the great likelihood that travelling back to before the point of your conception would prevent your (already unlikely) birth, removing a potential paradox. (But it also means you can't change your present by changing your past, because your past would not be yours.)
This would actually clear up some of the "problems" with NuTrek's apparent pre-Narada divergences from history... it never WAS the Prime timeline. (Or was, but much longer ago.)
This would actually clear up some of the "problems" with NuTrek's apparent pre-Narada divergences from history... it never WAS the Prime timeline. (Or was, but much longer ago.)
Over in the ST:TOS area, someone posted in the Mirror Mirror thread:
To which I replied:
Which seems to work with the above:
Yes??
Perhaps the mirror universe, as improbable as it is, was the only universe that the Enterprise crew could have beamed into. i.e. Swapping universes required the unique circumstances of an ion storm and a parallel universe that so closely mirrored that of the original Trek.
To which I replied:
Or, perhaps, there is a risk of beaming to a parallel universe every time you use the transporter. But usually you beam to one that is so close to the one you left you can't tell the difference between them The ion storm in this case caused them to beam a "little farther" than normal when swapping universes.
Which seems to work with the above:
I remember reading somewhere that certain scientists theorized that time travel is possible, but due to causality you actually travel backwards into the past of a pre-existing parallel universe, so that you don't so much create the parallel as become aware of it.
Yes??
No. He explains the situation to Captain Garrett, and she gives the order.
After her death, Castillo says he intends to return as well, and Picard agrees. He doesn't give Castillo any orders.
Also, given that they put up enough of a fight that survivors were taken to Romulus (and we got for better or worse depending on how you view the chartacter0 'Sela' out of it - yeah, sending the ship back crewless to just explode wouldn't have reverted the 'Federation/Kiingon War' timeline back to the 'normal' timeline.
Thanks! I have to watch it again I guess! I forgot the Captain had died as well.
That crazy Guinan. All those seconds in the Nexus may have given her some spot-the-difference skills, but she just plain makes things up (her way beyond friendship thing with Picard...Maybe that's a future echo of the Nexus...God knows nothing else ever explains it.)
Well, the only other time I remember Guinan becoming animated about a close friend, it was an imaginary razor beast. So maybe Picard is "way beyond friendship" by virtue of, you know, being actually there :-)
Picard publishes the order for Yar's transfer. It's Picard that formally orders Yar to go to Enterprise-C even if it is the product of Yar lobbying Picard in private.
Guinan is a bit inconsistent about how certain she is of that isn't she;
PICARD: Guinan, that was twenty three years ago. Tasha Yar was only a child.
GUINAN: I know that. But I also know she was aboard that ship and she was not a child. And I think you sent her there.
PICARD: How can that be?
GUINAN: I don't know. I just know that you did.
Sela states categorically to Picard that Tasha was "sent [to the past], by you from the future."
I generally agree and had forgotten that exact exchange (so thank you!). But to what Sela says, she's an unreliable narrator. She embraces her Romulan ancestry. Isn't her characterization of Tasha is deeply negative every time she brings her up?
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