Yesterdays Enterprise: The Motion Picture (trailer)

[Tomalak]

I think it was Ron Moore who said that by doing Yesterday's Enterprise, they blew their best chance at a possible Generations story. But from a writer's point of view, they probably wouldn't have done it as the 24th century was not the 'real' TNG characters from the show. It was, after all, supposed to be a TNG movie. That's like having one of the TOS movies set entirely in the Mirror Univserse: The fanboy in me would have loved that, but it's just not a realistic option for a Trek movie.

That being said, it's an awesome edit.

Yeah, thinking about it, it would only work if somehow "our" Next Gen crew were transported into the parallel dimension along with Kirk. Mirror Mirror crossed with Yesterday's Enterprise.

 

[Kirk Prime]

As someone who loathes Generations as much as anyone, this trailer was incredible. I always wanted a Kirk meets Picard story that really nailed it, that didn't result in a legend being killed because another captain couldn't hold his own in hand to hand combat and had to dial 1800 GET KIRK.

This trailer had a lot of potential.

 

[Tomalak]

Yeah, having the big climax of the movie being three older gents fighting on some rocks was a big mistake. It made Picard seem weak because he couldn't beat an old scientist in a fight, or think of another solution, and it reduced Kirk to being Picard's muscle because Worf wasn't available.

The main problem was the rushed production. There wasn't enough time to get the script together because the film had to complete production in time to free up the stages to commence work on Voyager.

Moore and Braga were writing the script at the same time they were working on All Good Things. Michael Piller didn't want to write it because he was working on Voyager, and Maurice Hurley's script needed a lot of work.

The right deadline meant they lost the chance to have Nimoy direct the film, because he wasn't happy to just shoot the script they gave him.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Think about it--Picard could go anywhere, at any place. Why not send Kirk to the Enterprise B moments after he left, and have him stop Soran before he became a villain? Easiest way? Tap Soran on the shoulder, tell him you need his help, bring him to Deck 15, and have him get blasted into the nexus where he's happy and the E-B is saved.

Or Picard could just head back to the E-D, with Kirk, and slap the cuffs on Soran. Why go to the most dangerous point where Soran had the advantage?

Kirk dying was in my opinion, a big mistake. Kirk's death added little to the plot, was not treated for the significant event it was, and the story would be unaffected if Kirk lived.

 

[Tomalak]

I presume Picard didn't want to go too far back because he didn't want to mess with the timeline. But it's not explained and there's too many plot holes.

 

[DonIago]

I think Picard going back to Ten Forward and throwing Soran in a hole rather than letting him go back to the observatory would have had pretty negligible effects on the timeline. Did anyone have any positive interactions with Soran after that encounter?

...OTOH, if it turned out that Lursa and B'etor retook the Klingon empire because they didn't die at Veridian...

 

[Kirk Prime]

It's highly doubtful that two people who lost a battle to the E-D would overtake the Klingon Empire and have that great an effect. But what if they did so, and shortly thereafter, were overthrown by a much better government, that allowed the Klingons and Federation to prosper in ways unprecedented? Or what if there was someone on their ship that had he lived, would have cured a plague or stopped Romulus from exploding?

Picard was told he could go back to ANY place in time. I would argue that by KIRK not going back to the E-B and having Soran be the hero, winding up in the nexus, and preventing all the events of Generations, history changed. While we have no data on Kirk after that time frame, we do know that when Scotty disappeared on the Jenolen, Kirk was alive, which means that SOMETHING changed. Yes, it was a plothole, but that's not an acceptable answer for this purpose, nor are any "he was disoriented" excuses that were never mentioned on screen. Scotty incidentally, was not disoriented, given that one of the first things he did was try to save Redshirt Franklin.

 

[Riley]

What I still don't understand about Generations all these years later is that TPTB didn't involve Admiral McCoy and post-Relics Scotty. The easiest storyline for this movie is that the Enterprise-B stuff happens (with Spock and McCoy as it should be) and then we jump to the 24th century. The message Picard gets during Worf's promotion ceremony is a Starfleet priority 1 message: Picard is ordered to extract Ambassador Spock from Romulus. They get Spock, he says he can sense Kirk's still alive, he needs McCoy and Scotty's expertise to rescue Kirk and make sure he's okay afterwards. Soran could be a Romulan who follows the E-D and Spock to see what they're up to, assuming it's all part of a Federation plot. Finally, Kirk doesn't have to die, either. He goes off with Spock, McCoy, and Scotty to get acclimated to the 24th century, maybe gets a "retirement yacht" for his own adventures.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

What I still don't understand about Generations all these years later is that TPTB didn't involve Admiral McCoy and post-Relics Scotty.

Generations was supposed to feature Kirk, Spock and McCoy on the Enterprise-B. But Nimoy and Kelley didn't want to do it, so all of Spock's lines were given to Scotty, and Chekov got all of McCoy's.

Whoever wrote "Relics", of course, could not possibly have any knowledge of this. And the Generations writer had no idea that Scotty would be in it, either, as the actor changes were done after the film had been written.

 

[Riley]

Generations was supposed to feature Kirk, Spock and McCoy on the Enterprise-B. But Nimoy and Kelley didn't want to do it, so all of Spock's lines were given to Scotty, and Chekov got all of McCoy's.

Whoever wrote "Relics", of course, could not possibly have any knowledge of this. And the Generations writer had no idea that Scotty would be in it, either, as the actor changes were done after the film had been written.

Relics was history by the time Moore and Braga (IIRC) were writing Generations. They knew that Spock, McCoy, and Scotty had survived into the 24th century. My point is that it's odd they didn't attempt to have them come together to search for Kirk. Had Spock and McCoy been used in the TNG portion of the movie, Nimoy and Kelley would have agreed to do the movie and Nimoy might have even directed it. Having four of the original cast interact with the TNG cast in a movie would have made it a true event, with two "generations" working together to save Kirk. Instead, the script wasn't good enough to entice Nimoy and Kelly and Kirk only meets Picard before being killed by a bridge.

 

[Tomalak]

Relics was history by the time Moore and Braga (IIRC) were writing Generations. They knew that Spock, McCoy, and Scotty had survived into the 24th century. My point is that it's odd they didn't attempt to have them come together to search for Kirk. Had Spock and McCoy been used in the TNG portion of the movie, Nimoy and Kelley would have agreed to do the movie and Nimoy might have even directed it. Having four of the original cast interact with the TNG cast in a movie would have made it a true event, with two "generations" working together to save Kirk. Instead, the script wasn't good enough to entice Nimoy and Kelly and Kirk only meets Picard before being killed by a bridge.

You'd probably like the Shatnerverse books.

Kelley made it clear he felt Star Trek VI was a fitting end for his character, and I don't think he was in the best of health by 1994.

Nimoy might have done it for a substantial role, but that would have meant the TNG cast playing second fiddle in a film that already had to squeeze in a lot of characters, including Shatner. I can't see him agreeing unless he had a lot of time to develop the script, which just wasn't possible given the studio's timetable.

 

[Riley]

You'd probably like the Shatnerverse books.

Kelley made it clear he felt Star Trek VI was a fitting end for his character, and I don't think he was in the best of health by 1994.

Nimoy might have done it for a substantial role, but that would have meant the TNG cast playing second fiddle in a film that already had to squeeze in a lot of characters, including Shatner. I can't see him agreeing unless he had a lot of time to develop the script, which just wasn't possible given the studio's timetable.

I enjoyed "The Return," but haven't read any of the others yet.

I'm sure Berman would have wanted to sideline the TOS cast members as much as possible, as even Kirk doesn't get much screentime in a movie allegedly about bridging generations. I honestly think it would have been better to leave TUC as the original cast's swan song while Generations (with a different title) would have been a full TNG movie. The show was extremely popular at that point and could have easily transitioned to the big screen on its own without the help of the TOS cast.

 

[evillouie]

I always thought "Yesterday's Enterprise" would have been a good vehicle for the first TNG film. I also thought they should have held back "Best Of Both Worlds 1 &2" when they came up with it, as I think it would have made a fantastic TNG movie!!

 

[Tomalak]

I always thought "Yesterday's Enterprise" would have been a good vehicle for the first TNG film. I also thought they should have held back "Best Of Both Worlds 1 &2" when they came up with it, as I think it would have made a fantastic TNG movie!!

Without BoBW there may not have been a TNG film!

 

[Armus]

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can you imagine how awesome going to see that movie wouldve been in 1994? directed by Meyer or Nimoy?! (plus Nimoy in it as 24th century Spock)

TWOK wouldve ceased being the best ST movie 22 years ago!

David Carson gave that episode a lot of style. He should direct the movie version.

 

[Search4]

God that trailer is great.