"Year of Hell" Question

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Okay I give in. There was one Chef, a guy that got referenced and made eggs and pie and Vulcan gruel.

But all that confiding in stuff was artistic license on the part of the holoprogrammer. A sounding board person to tell the main character's stories.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It was a therapeutic program.

BY design it was supposed to root into Riker's mind by allowing the bearded twit the opportunity to root celebrities, in the brain. He was asking the questions he wanted to ask himself and then comparing those answers to his own and allotting who was falling short, and who won, himself or the light bulbs.

The only way that "Those were the Voyages" makes any sense is if Archer and Tucker were frakking.

Although the lesson Dee wanted her scruffy monkey to get out o this, even though she didn't know the complete facts is that John fucking Locke (You love Lost so much don't you?) is an asshole you should not die for friviously and pointlessly for.

Denna probably stacked the deck so that Riker had to grow a set and stick a foot up Pressman's ass.

Screw whatever really happened.

The real winner here today is psychology!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It's as much psychology as a bunch of tarot cards. Turn it over, say what's on your mind. But then that was the quality of Troi's counseling as well.

The only thing I loved about Lost was John Locke, I held on to the bitter end trying to suck more Locke out of it only to find out the really crappy Locke was really crappy at being Locke because he wasn't Locke and I could have quit months ago.

Star Trek psychology is hilarious stuff. But they can cure 99.99 percent of everything now so all they are left to deal with is miffedness and holoaddiction. Though why they can't fix Barclay's anxiety issues I'm not sure.. unless they are something he has generated himself with no help from chemistry because they complete him. And then there are a few genuine sociopaths.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Considering how creepy John was in the beginning:"I HAVE KNIVES!" I thought Locke was going to be a paedophile who would run off with Walt. It took me forever to accept that no one was going to kill Walt. The incest twins got the death they deserved. If that kid had been taken out early on, then Michael wouldn't have been such a useless stain in the middle. That fuck killed Libby. It's like what Janeway did to Tuvix times a million.

Hurley needed to tap that so bad.

And she wanted to let him.

And Libby had had practice with big guys before.

Spent a season with Drew Carey pawing her.

Not that all large men are created equally.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Something crossed my mind after re-watching "Year of Hell" recently. After the Voyager crew became successful in shielding themselves from the Krenim's weapons and temporal incursions, she orders the crew to abandon ship. She must have shielded the escape pods from the temporal incursions or they wouldn't have existed if Voyager failed the attack later. The question is, what happened to that crew? If they were shielded as I assume they were, Janeway didn't go back for them because she didn't know about them.

Magic.

 

[Guy Gardener]

WIIIIIIIITCH!!!!

Somebody! Quickly start collecting wood for a bonfire!

 

[TrekkingThru]

Voyager already had metaphasic shielding which protected them from the temporal incursions. That was the whole reason the Krenim time ship came after them. It was the chronoton torpedoes that they had to develop a defense for, which they did when Seven determined the exact modulation of the torpedo stuck in the hull. Neither Voyager nor the Krenim ever switched time lines until they were both destroyed and everything reset.

Way off.

We saw people dissolve on Voager's bridge.

TUVOK: Captain, the Krenim warship is in pursuit, but their weapons are not powered.
JANEWAY: They don't know what to do with us now that we're shielded against their torpedoes.
KIM: Captain, there's some kind of spatial distortion heading toward us. Sensor readings are erratic. I can't identify the phenomenon.
CHAKOTAY: What's the source?
KIM: Unknown, but it originated approximately twenty light years from our position. It looks like a shock wave in the fabric of space-time.
JANEWAY: Tom, get us out of here.
PARIS: We'll never outrun it, Captain.
JANEWAY: Maybe our new shields will help. All hands, brace for impact!
TUVOK: You were correct, Captain. The temporal shielding has protected us. The wave front has passed.
KIM: Captain.
CHAKOTAY: Report.
KIM: It's definitely a Krenim ship. Identical hull markings, same bio-spectral frequency, but it's half the size. Limited fire power.
JANEWAY: What happened to the warship?
PARIS: I'm not picking it up on long range sensors.
CHAKOTAY: It looks like this entire part of space has changed somehow. The last time I checked this region was filled with Krenim colonies and vessels. I just ran a scan and sensors show no colonies and just a handful of Krenim ships.
JANEWAY: Harry, transfer all your sensor data about that shock wave to the Astrometrics lab.
KIM: Yes, ma'am.
JANEWAY: Tell Seven of Nine to meet me there.
CHAKOTAY: Captain, Astrometrics took heavy damage a few days go. It's offline.
JANEWAY: Well, let's get it back online. It appears that the Krenim Imperium has vanished. Our troubles could be over and I'd like to find out why.


[Krenim Timeship - Bridge]


OBRIST: Something went wrong. The entire Krenim Imperium. It's reverted to a pre-warp state.
ANNORAX: Not possible. Our calculations were perfect.
OBRIST: I may have an explanation. There's an anomalous temporal reading twenty light years from here. It's coming from a vessel.
ANNORAX: What vessel?
OBRIST: Component zero four nine beta, a ship called Voyager.
ANNORAX: That ship was classified as an inert component. It shouldn't be generating a temporal field.
OBRIST: But it is, and it was enough to throw off our calculations.
ANNORAX: Take me to them.

"New" shields.

Google search says the word "metaphasic" is not used in the episode.

Metaphasic shields let you park inside suns.

By the time Voyager got into use, metaphasic shields were probably just called "shields".

Thank you; I stand corrected. Apparently I don't remember that episode as well as I thought I did. LOL. Time for a re-watch.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Been there so many times.

I can think of about 4 times in the last two years that I have had to temporarily extract myself from this forum to rewatch Equinox before again feeling righteous enough to finish my very loud thoughts.

 

[R. Star]

Maybe the Doctor's backup file eventually found their corpses a hundred years later. Boy wouldn't that depress the fellow.

 

[publiusr]

The weapon ship interests me greatly, as was the small pocket universe bev Crusher wound up in.

The two would be perfect to use against, say Cthulhu in a one two punch.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Before or after Tom has sex with Cthulu?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Enough with the hentai. Enough I say!

 

[bbjeg]

I doubt escape pods have the resources to use temporal shielding given that, AFAIA, they don't even have the ability to generate standard shields.

Janeway could give a shield generator to one pod to encompass the other pods. It'll seem pointless to let them escape otherwise.

I like to think that it isn't the timeship changing everything else, but rather that each time it uses its weapon it jumps to an alternate timeline.

That's a great way of looking at it. Temporal defended ships would simply be pulled in each timeline with it. Though it will still spell doom for Voyagers escape pod crew if the were shielded during the final fight.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I assumed that the escape pods and shuttles all scattered off in different directions to avoid the Krenim net?

 

[bbjeg]

But they were to make allies along the way, the best way to do that in the space they're in would be to stay together a share the temporal defenses. The more temporal shielded ships out there, the harder it would be for the Krenim.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You're making a very simple mistake.

Annorax did not represent nor work for any "Local" Krenim Imperium, and the "Locals" did not work for Annorax.

Two entirely separate entities.

When Annorax "changed" the universe, the new Krenim Imperium has no preestablished causal relationship with anyone who is temporally shielded. It's just a question of if the Local Krenim had met the local Voyager crew who might be near by causing a stink or half away across the galaxy.

 

[bbjeg]

^I meant Annorax when I said Krenim.

 

[Guy Gardener]

(Sorry.)

Okay, here's an idea. Why didn't Janeway temporally shield the crew in the shuttles and escape pods while they were still attached/inside Voyager, and then provoke Annorax into using his weapon (rolling the dice) so that possibly maybe in the next "universe" Voyager will be all fixed up becuase it had never been broken?

I'm still not clear if a temporally shielded Voyager was superimposing over any local version of Voyager, or pushing dopplegangers out of the universe no matter where in the universe they are or if there were suddenly two sets of Each Voyager in this story... Which means that it's possible that in the final battle that she killed herself twice?

 

[Captain Kathryn]

(Sorry.)

Okay, here's an idea. Why didn't Janeway temporally shield the crew in the shuttles and escape pods while they were still attached/inside Voyager, and then provoke Annorax into using his weapon (rolling the dice) so that possibly maybe in the next "universe" Voyager will be all fixed up becuase it had never been broken?

I'm still not clear if a temporally shielded Voyager was superimposing over any local version of Voyager, or pushing dopplegangers out of the universe no matter where in the universe they are or if there were suddenly two sets of Each Voyager in this story... Which means that it's possible that in the final battle that she killed herself twice?

Dude....

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is she hiding a penis under that hat?