Xindi Arc

[startrekwatcher]

However, the season-ending cliffhanger with the space Nazis made me want to put my foot through the TV. We waited a season for space Nazis?

I liked it. I have never understood the backlash against the ZH cliffhanger. The Alien Nazi reminded me of Red Skull and I was intrigued by the "Archer out of time" aspect. I thought it did a good job at piquing my curiosity with who the alien was, what was happening in the past, how it played into the Temporal Cold War. I also got a kick out of the bizarre sight of WWII fighters firing upon the shuttlepod.

In fact, the teaser was so open-ended, anyone with a creative mind could have developed it into a potentially entertaining storyline. The problem was Coto who did the most bland story he possibly could have. So I don't fault B&B. I fault Coto for what he ultimately ended up doing with it.

 

[MattJC]

You should at least give some blame to B and B for that ending. I believe Manny has said he would have preferred to start season 4 with "Home".

 

[miriel68]

I read a lot of critics about season 3 ending and about "Alien nazi", but personally, I didn't mind it. The closing of Xindi arc was great, destroying the weapon, crew grieving for their (presumably) dead captain and so on, but... could they really have ended the season like this? Enterprise coming back to Earth, everybody happy, oh yes, we lost our captain on our way, may be we will find him in next episode somehow? We (audience) didn't buy it for the minute that Archer really had died, did we? Such things simple do not happen, at least not in the movies. So what else could they have done to create some suspence at the very end? Would love to hear some alternative ideas.

 

[RandyS]

I thought the whole Xindi arc sucked. It made no sense for them to send a "teaser" probe to Earth to do a little destruction and tip their hand. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Not to mention pissing away an entire season on making the stakes the destruction of Earth, a place we know from the four previous series, all of which take place CENTURIES later, is not destroyed. Right there, they killed the suspense factor of the whole season, and lost more viewers.

The entire Xindi thing was a huge waste of time.

shrug i see this a lot but as someone who likes to watch films based on historical events watching how things came about can also be interesting.

does this mean you wont watch a movie based within a previous war since you know how the war turned out?

No, it just means that I saw the Xindi arc as another wasted opportunity when it came to ENTERPRISE's writing. The show was supposed to be a prequel, but for some reason, the writers simply wanted to recreate VOYAGER, and and waste time on poorly thought out plotlines, and decon scenes aimed at teenage boys.

 

[zenophite]

No, it just means that I saw the Xindi arc as another wasted opportunity when it came to ENTERPRISE's writing. The show was supposed to be a prequel, but for some reason, the writers simply wanted to recreate VOYAGER, and and waste time on poorly thought out plotlines, and decon scenes aimed at teenage boys.

I think the Xindi arc was a step in the right direction albeit a small one and poorly executed in many ways. Still it was enjoyable in some parts.

The problem I have with trek is that the characters in all of the series are largely interchangeable. None that I can think of offhand really seem to have any believable passion about anything.
Aside from that the portrayal of human society in trek really bugs me because Earth society has basically become American society and everyone has the same sort of reaction to everything with the exception of a few token accents.
Maybe a unified culture could conceivably be true by the 24th century...but in Enterprises day it seems far fetched especially after a WW3 scenario. On enterprise the characters are the same sort of pod people they are in the 24th - i was hoping for folks that were rough around the edges which you'd expect considering that some of them were born not that long after a nuclear war for goodness sakes.

 

[RAMA]

I thought the whole Xindi arc sucked. It made no sense for them to send a "teaser" probe to Earth to do a little destruction and tip their hand. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Not to mention pissing away an entire season on making the stakes the destruction of Earth, a place we know from the four previous series, all of which take place CENTURIES later, is not destroyed. Right there, they killed the suspense factor of the whole season, and lost more viewers.

The entire Xindi thing was a huge waste of time.

While I doubt it would have happened the whole question of the temporal cold war COULD have altered hsitroy so none of the future ST history happened...

RAMA

 

[DanCPA]

I mostly enjoyed the Xindi arc, but forgive me for saying this... The Xindi appear to be a major power, how no one knows where their homeworld is at the start of the season is baffling given the later stories.

 

[RandyS]

While I doubt it would have happened the whole question of the temporal cold war COULD have altered history so none of the future ST history happened...

RAMA

You know, I was hoping that the Temporal cold war was actually what set off the Romulan war. Providing that Future Guy was in fact a 30th century Romulan who was attempting to change history so that the Federation never exisisted, but his interference was what started the war, which, in turn, led to the birth of the Federation.

Instead, we got that Xindi shit.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Yep, that's pretty much how I felt. Nice to have a season-long arc and the Macos (even if their uniforms were atrocious and constantly reminded me of seagulls), and Shran & the Andies were always fun, but everything else fell flat.

The "bermuda triangle" of space angle was never really expanded upon - it seems as if they didn't really know what to do with the idea.

We were promised inside-out people. What happened to that? Very strange to introduce this supposedly incredibly scary thing (I was skeptical but willing to be scared ) and then bupkis.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I I always wished that season 4 was season 3.

I wish season 4 was season 1. We might have gotten a full 7 seasons then.

^ What he said.

Same here. Or at the very least we would have gotten four good seasons instead of just one.

Sorry for the double post, but ever since the changeover, the "copy/paste" function has been wonky.

 

[zenophite]

We were promised inside-out people. What happened to that? Very strange to introduce this supposedly incredibly scary thing (I was skeptical but willing to be scared ) and then bupkis.

I didn't even remember that! They must have been having an "Event Horizon" drinking game that day or something then promptly dropped the idea when they actually sobered up... haha

 

[DanCPA]

Just wondering, wouldn't it have been interesting to have seen the Xindi in Season 4. See what had become of their civilization, and their relations with the Starfleet

 

[zenophite]

Just wondering, wouldn't it have been interesting to have seen the Xindi in Season 4. See what had become of their civilization, and their relations with the Starfleet

that would have been nice wouldn't it? Actually seeing repercussions that last longer than a few episodes?

Here's another thing I would've liked to see:
Have humanity still make some really disastrous mistakes as a new spacefaring species that comes back to haunt them. I would have preferred also that the Vulcans not have been portrayed as duplicitous A-holes but rather as concerned friends with a hands-off approach that come to the aid of humanity when it really screws up.
In fact I often thought that the Romulan war should have actually started because the Romulans were rightly concerned about the humans coming and screwing around in their neck of the woods.

Instead what we get thanks to a few "cute" lines scattered around the show is basically that Archer invents the idea of the prime directive and the federation itself.
Not only that but humanity is portrayed as the one that basically tells everyone to get along and schools the Andorians, Vulcans, Tellarites and others about the error of their ways... what a crock...

 

[startrekwatcher]

We were promised inside-out people. What happened to that? Very strange to introduce this supposedly incredibly scary thing (I was skeptical but willing to be scared ) and then bupkis.

I didn't even remember that! They must have been having an "Event Horizon" drinking game that day or something then promptly dropped the idea when they actually sobered up... haha

I don't believe the writers ever promised inside-out people. Soval mentioned that some Klingons had returned from the Expanse inside-out as an example of the weirdness of that region of space. Although I was expecting more high concept anomaly episodes but surprisingly the writers were pretty restrained in not going all out.

I mostly enjoyed the Xindi arc, but forgive me for saying this... The Xindi appear to be a major power, how no one knows where their homeworld is at the start of the season is baffling given the later stories.

I think the initial impression was the Xindi were a superpower but by "Extinction" I think the writers had given us enough to conclude that the Xindi were roughly on par with humanity at this stage and it was more of a conflict between roughly equal powers.

As for not being able to direct Archer to the Xindi--Well the Xindi had no homeworld and were scattered throughout the Expanse and had no real seat of power beyond the Council which was hidden on the Avian world. Also it seemed as though the Expanse's anomaly fields isolated worlds from one another.

Just wondering, wouldn't it have been interesting to have seen the Xindi in Season 4. See what had become of their civilization, and their relations with the Starfleet

I really didn't mind that we didn't see the Xindi in season four. The writers had a whole season dedicated to them I didn't want any more than that. I was glad they moved on even though I mostly enjoyed the Xindi arc.

The one thing they should have done is had one more visit from Daniels where he whisked Archer to the future to show him what ultimately became of th Xindi in the later centuries of Trek. That is how I would have preferred they handled that aspect of why we never heard much about them on TOS or TNG.

 

[D Man]

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This is the first time I've witnessed this before the mods clean it up...what would happen if I clicked one of those links?

 

[pookha]

I mostly enjoyed the Xindi arc, but forgive me for saying this... The Xindi appear to be a major power, how no one knows where their homeworld is at the start of the season is baffling given the later stories.

they may not have wanted others to know considering their orignal one was lost.
also remember they had the sphere builders influence over them for a long time.

 

[Trekwatcher]

I have always felt that S3 is ENT's best work. S1 and S2 have plenty of gems, and S4 is a joy for me as I am a die hard TOS fan, but S3 is where they really had traction. They got away from the "aliens of the week" stories and moved into new territory. You really felt like they could lose and like they were playing for keeps. Bakula really came into his own in S3 and took Archer to a new level of aggression/command/desperation all at the same time. For me, S3 has very few missteps and even the departures from the main Xindi arc ("North Star" and "Similitude") work well. Degra was a great addition to the show and served as a good counterpoint to Archer. Guests like John Cothran Jr. as Gralik ("The Shipment"), Nikita Ager as Rajiin ("Rajiin") and Maury Sterling as Tarquin ("Exile"), to name a few, put in above par performances as guest stars and made these eps standouts.

The eps of S3 are the ones I come back to again and again.

 

[pookha]

Just wondering, wouldn't it have been interesting to have seen the Xindi in Season 4. See what had become of their civilization, and their relations with the Starfleet

that would have been nice wouldn't it? Actually seeing repercussions that last longer than a few episodes?

Here's another thing I would've liked to see:
Have humanity still make some really disastrous mistakes as a new spacefaring species that comes back to haunt them. I would have preferred also that the Vulcans not have been portrayed as duplicitous A-holes but rather as concerned friends with a hands-off approach that come to the aid of humanity when it really screws up.
In fact I often thought that the Romulan war should have actually started because the Romulans were rightly concerned about the humans coming and screwing around in their neck of the woods.

Instead what we get thanks to a few "cute" lines scattered around the show is basically that Archer invents the idea of the prime directive and the federation itself.
Not only that but humanity is portrayed as the one that basically tells everyone to get along and schools the Andorians, Vulcans, Tellarites and others about the error of their ways... what a crock...

why did people expect almost perfect vulcans when we have seen over and over that some vulcans are indeed capable of being duplicitous ect..

from tpring to valeris to the vulcan in gambit and the arms dealer in deep space nine.

and the "prime directive" wasnt invented by archer but rather was already being followed by the vulcans.
we learn that in civilization.

going back to the xindi i didnt need to see a lot of them but it would have been interesting to have gotten in the back ground reports of what was going on within the ex expanse.

though i would have liked to have seen what happened with the illyrian ship addressed at some point.

 

[galleywest]

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This is the first time I've witnessed this before the mods clean it up...what would happen if I clicked one of those links?

You would asplode!!

Ahem. Anyway, Honest truth: season 3 brought me back to Enterprise and left me wanting more. That's just the way it worked for me! I really, really would have liked fewer long arcs in season 4 in favor of a Xindi episode.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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Interesting what a span of time can do to fans. I still remember the uproar here when Enterprise first revealed the Xindi. Everyone was up in arms about the fact that a new alliance of species we'd never seen before suddenly show up out of no where and dealt a devastating blow to Earth.

I remember that I for one even though upset at this shaky continuity angle was intringed that they were giving the show an actual overall, cohesive storyarc that actually resulted in problems for the ships crew over the course of the season. Just some parts of it were poorly executed but otherwise it was semi-enjoyable.