Spoilers X-Men: Apocalypse - Grading & Discussion

[The Borgified Corpse]

What I'm saying is that, in context, there's nothing wrong with the poster. Out of context, people, whether they've seen the movies or not, should at least have the wherewithal to infer that the image has a context in which it makes sense and is inoffensive.

The argument against it seems to boil down to: "Some people might misinterpret it or not understand it. Therefore, images that cannot be correctly understood or interpreted by 100% of the people must be removed from public spaces." It's that kind of lowest-common-denominator thinking that is causing our civilization to decay into a bunch of oversensitive morons.

If the poster is seen by children, their parents should explain to them the difference between reality & fiction. If the poster is seen by women who have been subjected to domestic violence in real life, they should understand that the context of their tragic real-world abuse is entirely different from the context of a fight scene in a superhero movie.

 

[ichab]

What I'm saying is that, in context, there's nothing wrong with the poster. Out of context, people, whether they've seen the movies or not, should at least have the wherewithal to infer that the image has a context in which it makes sense and is inoffensive.

The argument against it seems to boil down to: "Some people might misinterpret it or not understand it. Therefore, images that cannot be correctly understood or interpreted by 100% of the people must be removed from public spaces." It's that kind of lowest-common-denominator thinking that is causing our civilization to decay into a bunch of oversensitive morons.

If the poster is seen by children, their parents should explain to them the difference between reality & fiction. If the poster is seen by women who have been subjected to domestic violence in real life, they should understand that the context of their tragic real-world abuse is entirely different from the context of a fight scene in a superhero movie.

Winner. It's really amazing the amount of basic things that previous generations knew as common sense has to be so thoroughly explained to people nowadays. Oversensitive morons AND victims is what's being produced now.

 

[DonIago]

This seems, to me, to boil down to one's willingness to assume good versus bad faith.

Put another way, when one sees a poster of a woman...or anyone, for that matter, being choked...to my mind, the reasonable response is to ask oneself what the motivation for such a poster would be before developing any significant emotional response.

 

[Gaith]

I thought I at least made some half-decent points that would at least merit a more thoughtful response. Instead, all I got was a condescending
*snip*
The argument against it [... is the] kind of lowest-common-denominator thinking that is causing our civilization to decay into a bunch of oversensitive morons.

And that, fellow BBSers, is what rank hypocrisy looks like.

(Not to mention juvenile hyperbole.)

 

[JD]

If the poster is seen by children, their parents should explain to them the difference between reality & fiction. If the poster is seen by women who have been subjected to domestic violence in real life, they should understand that the context of their tragic real-world abuse is entirely different from the context of a fight scene in a superhero movie.

The only problem with that is that when you are having a purely emotional reaction to something like this you can't always take the time to analyze the context. I don't even see why you would have to be a victim of abuse to find it upsetting.

 

[JD]

One of the movie's concept artists has revealed a more comics accurate version of Apocalypse which was eventually changed in favor of what we got in the final movie.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

One of the movie's concept artists has revealed a more comics accurate version of Apocalypse which was eventually changed in favor of what we got in the final movie.

I doubt it would have really been any better than what we got. Personally, my ideal would've been about halfway between those 2 options.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

What? No "A" belt buckle? Shenanigans!

 

[Thestral]

That would've been better, but the real problems with Apocalypse himself had nothing to do with the costuming.

 

[crookeddy]

I was EXTREMELY disappointed with this movie. The Apocalypse of the comics has a layered meaning - he is a social Darwinist. His reign in Age of Apocalypse is kind of an abstraction for World War II - he was the Hitler role. The Apocalypse of the movie was more of a mustache twirler - he woke up from a long sleep and decided the new world sucks because why not. He disarmed the world's nuclear arsenal even though his vaporization powers should have rendered nukes powerless to stop him. Magneto, always painted a very nuanced character is suddenly an angry murdered. He joined Apocalypse, who he really should oppose, and murder millions if not billions of people. Then he turned on him, which apparently is redemption and destroying most of the civilized world is mostly forgiven, since he's Xavier's friend.

WTF

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

He disarmed the world's nuclear arsenal even though his vaporization powers should have rendered nukes powerless to stop him.

When he absorbed all that knowledge from the TV, maybe it included a hefty dose of anti-nuclear propaganda? Maybe some network was showing The China Syndrome? He decided that nuclear anything is just categorically bad.

 

[Set Harth]

The Apocalypse of the comics has a layered meaning - he is a social Darwinist.

He expressed that motive in the film.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

He expressed that motive in the film.

And only had 2 hours to do it.
It's funny when people bring up Age of Apocalypse, when that took over a decade to get to. Movies don't have that luxery.

 

[Booji]

And only had 2 hours to do it.
It's funny when people bring up Age of Apocalypse, when that took over a decade to get to. Movies don't have that luxery.

Marvel seems to have no problem building up Thanos, and that is taking way longer than would be required for Apocalypse. They could have done a movie with Mr Sinister first and worked the film into an Apocalypse movie. Some build up would have been better than hat we got.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Marvel seems to have no problem building up Thanos, and that is taking way longer than would be required for Apocalypse. They could have done a movie with Mr Sinister first and worked the film into an Apocalypse movie. Some build up would have been better than hat we got.

You're saying they've built up Thanos with layers and depth in his few appearances and that's all that was needed for Apocalypse to give him more deoth and layer as someone requested above?
I think you need a bit more than sitting around grinning. Plus Marvel has 2 movies a year to use (if they want), Fox has sometimes 1? It's not even a fair comparison.

 

[Booji]

Move them goal posts.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Move them goal posts.

It was started by someone saying Apocalypse of the movie lacked the depth shown in the comic series, specifically Age of Apocalypse. I said it took over a decade of appearances to get to that series (and therefore the shown depth) something a single movie doesn't have the luxury of doing. You said Marvel did that with Thanos. And I pointed out how that's not at all a similar thing, mist notably, there"s been zero layers added to Thanos. This was about character depth in comics vs movies from the start where I joined the discussion.

Which goal posts are you watching again?

 

[Kor]

I haven't really had the inkling to watch X:A a second time.

Kor

 

[crookeddy]

The layers added to Age Of Apocalypse from decades of appearances were not necessary to show Apocalypse's motivations. His homo-sapien work camps and culls sent the message across. Meanwhile in the movie, he was angry that "the weak" are in charge, but never elaborated on wtf that meant. Also he claimed he would make a better world out of the ashes of the old one, but the way the destruction was shown in the movie, it looked like pretty much everyone would be dead, strong and weak alike.

 

[Tosk]

Meanwhile in the movie, he was angry that "the weak" are in charge, but never elaborated on wtf that meant.

Mutants = strong, humans = weak. He's pissed that humanity is ruling the world.