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X-Men: Apocalypse announced for May 2016

I predict that we'll have to hear about this for a year and then hardly ever again once we see him in the finished film.

Just like Quicksilver and Thor. (And others, but those two are the ones I distinctly remember reading a lot of bitching about.)
 
Apocalypse's practical effects look terrible.

You've seen three still photographs. That is not remotely the same thing as seeing a performance in a finished movie. Why do so many fans feel compelled to jump to conclusions? How many hundreds of times by now have fans reacted to the first pictures from a film with condemnation and scorn, only to see the finished film a year later and be amazed and delighted by it? How come people never remember the many, many other times in the past that they were wrong to prejudge?
 
About Xavier in X2. When Jason was reprogrammed by Mystique and Magneto, he started telling Xavier explicitly to "kill all the humans".

I'm sorry, but there's no way Xavier would've gone ahead with that. There's nothing that says Jason can control people's minds that way (and Stryker explicitly said that Xavier would be able to resist that kind of control).

And why the heck did Storm bother with the ice storm thing to stop Jason? Why not just smack him in the head or throw him off the platform?
 
Psylocke's costume is a lot more comics-authentic than I expected, and I'm not sure that's a good thing, because it's more impractical and sexualized than the costumes in X-Men movies usually are.

I don't have an issue with that per se but the costume looks very "cosplay" in the stills. Like it looks like someone dressing up as a character rather than natural.

It's interesting that they stuck so close to the source though. Never thought I'd see a Jubilee that close to the comics (at least when I was reading them).

I haven't been following this movie at all and was surprised to see Olivia Munn and Sophie Turner in there.
 
EW's Trinity is now complete.

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Apocalypse's practical effects look terrible.

You've seen three still photographs. That is not remotely the same thing as seeing a performance in a finished movie. Why do so many fans feel compelled to jump to conclusions? How many hundreds of times by now have fans reacted to the first pictures from a film with condemnation and scorn, only to see the finished film a year later and be amazed and delighted by it? How come people never remember the many, many other times in the past that they were wrong to prejudge?

This isn't a style decision I'm criticizing. It's quality. No amount of lighting is going to make Ivan Oooze look good.

If it's great I'll eat my words. But sometimes understated is better. Especially with film adaptations. Apocalypse is not really a character I need to be faithfully adapted. As I said, a little grey skin, and more of an Egyptian look I would have been happy with.

Every time you argue one of my points all you do is straw man. This isn't CGI in the first weeks of shooting we're discussing. And this isn't mocap.

This is a practical effect. The makeup and costume design looks horrible to me. And I agree with the other poster about Psylocke's cosplay.
 
Thanos, Ultron, Gollum, the Na'vi, Ceasar, The Terminator, King Kong and Voldermort are just a few examples that show an actor's performance isn't lost and can still shine with the use of CGI enhancements and motion capture.
You're missing my point rather profoundly. Most of those are characters who could not be done convincingly in any other way.
Bull. Thanos could easily be done with prosthetic makeup, so could Gollum. Ceasar was already a guy in an ape suit in the old Planet of the Apes movies. You're just being awkward for the sake of it. One way works but the other doesn't to suit your argument.

For such roles, of course CGI performance capture has proven itself an effective technique and I have nothing against it when it's appropriate.
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But it's still subliminally less realistic and convincing than an actual live actor,
See pic above.

And Apocalypse is not the same kind of character as Caesar or Neytiri or Ultron. I simply don't see anything about the design of Apocalypse's face that makes CGI a requirement.
As the above picture shows Apocalypse DOES require it. Considering he is a character that can take on other forms and sizes it would make sense to do him in CGI.

And Voldemort is a rather poor example. Most of what we're seeing is Ralph Fiennes's real face in makeup. The only digital modifications are the removal of his nose and the alteration of his skin tone. So we're seeing a live performance in that case.
Then you completely lack the finesses for such distinctions of CGI alteration. It completely changes the look of the character.
 
Thanos could easily be done with prosthetic makeup

Yes, and I think he should've been. The CGI version looks too fake. This is exactly my point. Obviously all these things can be done with CGI, but my point is that it doesn't necessarily look as real as makeup would.


so could Gollum.

Only if Andy Serkis had starved himself to a life-threatening degree. The whole reason Gollum had to be CGI to be done most effectively is because of his profound emaciation, something that's within the theoretical realm of possibility for a human being, but which would be highly dangerous and unethical to ask of an actor. It's a completely different case from Thanos, who's just a big raisin-faced guy sitting in a chair.

Ceasar was already a guy in an ape suit in the old Planet of the Apes movies.

I can't believe you honestly think that's a legitimate example. There's a profound difference between something that's obviously a guy in an ape mask and a realistic portrayal of an adult chimpanzee.



You're just being awkward for the sake of it. One way works but the other doesn't to suit your argument.

And you're going ad hominem for no reason. I was trying to have an objective intellectual discussion, but you seem determined to make it an excuse to bully and insult me. So I'm gone.
 
Keep in mind one pic is pre-production, the other is post-production. I don't entirely think that's a fair comparison.
 
Apocalypse's practical effects look terrible.

You've seen three still photographs. That is not remotely the same thing as seeing a performance in a finished movie. Why do so many fans feel compelled to jump to conclusions? How many hundreds of times by now have fans reacted to the first pictures from a film with condemnation and scorn, only to see the finished film a year later and be amazed and delighted by it? How come people never remember the many, many other times in the past that they were wrong to prejudge?


Have you met the SF fandom? :lol::lol:

I am sort of in the same boat sometimes.. when i heard Downey Jr. was to play Tony Stark i went WTF? I remembered him as a somewhat likeable actor before he killed his own career and for the life of me couldn't picture him as Tony Stark.

Then i saw the first promo picture.. him just standing there striking a pose in a business suit and with the beard and i was instantly sold (and then i saw him in the movies and the rest is glorious history).

The comic book Apocalypse can only work in the comics because he looks so outlandish and to be frank those weird lines coming from the corner of his mouth just make him look like a blue frog to me.

I'm glad they didn't do a 1:1 copy of the design and used something different.. he still looks flashy (maybe a bit too flashy) but the goofy vibe is gone. I like the design and am curious to see him on the screen.

Oh.. and Olivia Munn as Psylocke.. :drool::drool:
 
And you're going ad hominem for no reason. I was trying to have an objective intellectual discussion, but you seem determined to make it an excuse to bully and insult me. So I'm gone.
:wtf: Look who's talking.

This is not the first time our back and forth argument has ended like this. Somehow you don't seem to think that you come across as condescending to others but when they come back at you then you act like the victim of bullying. It's clear from looking at other posts on the board that i'm not the only one who feels talked down to by you.

It's almost like you were goading me on so you can turn the tables and put all this insulting accusation on me. As I said, it's not the first time this has happened.
 
And as long as Ellen Page is in Apocalypse...I'll be happy too. :)
Considering Kitty's age, I'm thinking probably not. She wasn't even born yet in 1983. :)
Oh. I didn't realize this was going to be another movie set in the past.

Of course, I skipped through a lot of posts to this point. :)
Yeah, I forget when they first announced it would be set in the '80s, but Singer revealed via instagram that one scene has the kids go to the cinema where Return of the Jedi is playing, giving us an exact year. :)


And as long as Ellen Page is in Apocalypse...I'll be happy too. :)
Considering Kitty's age, I'm thinking probably not. She wasn't even born yet in 1983. :)


Kitty was introduced in the X-Men back in 1980 when she was 13 and a half, so she could still make an appearance in the movie.
You know we're talking about the movies, right?
 
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