Thats my assumption.
That is one of the best looking HoF lists I've seen in years.
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Thats my assumption.
That is one of the best looking HoF lists I've seen in years.
I wonder who is responsible for the constant recycling of finishing moves in the WWE? They aren't even decent finishing moves! For example...
Backstabber/Lungblower/Jumping Double Knee Backbreaker: Used by Primo and Epico, previously used by Carlito and Maven prior to him.
Jumping Reverse STO/Paydirt/Little Jimmy: Used by R Truth, previously used by MVP and Shelton Benjamin prior to him.
Overdrive/O-Zone/Playmaker: Used by MVP, previously used by Carlito and Randy Orton prior to him.
Knockout Punch/WMD: Used by Big Show, previously used by Mark Jindrak, Bart Gunn prior to Jindrak and Diesel prior to Gunn.
Complete Shot/Downward Spiral/Knox Out/Reverse STO/Flatliner: Used by Mike Knox, previously used by Scott Steiner, Chris Kanyon prior to Steiner and Edge prior to Kanyon.
Furthermore, many of the NXT and FCW guys are using simple and generic wrestling moves as their finishers. I've read somewhere that the lower card guys have very little say in choosing a finishing move and in cases such as Evan Bourne - it's been because he proved he constantly perform a safe SSP.
I wonder if the conversations go something like this
Vince McMahon: "Ah Windham, how are you? Please come in and take a seat"
Creative Minion: ("Ah shit, here he goes again")
Vince McMahon: "Now listen Windham, you're a well built guy so we're going to call you Husky Harris because you look... Husky and because Harris is a reasonably Irish sounding surname and I love Irish names, did I tell you that I'm of Irish descent?
Windham Rotunda: "Uh no sir, you didn't"
Vince McMahon: "Well we'll talk about that another time, now you're going to wear trunks and you're going to do a running senton splash as a finisher because there is nothing more entertaining than seeing a well built guy smashing his back into a downed opponent, is there? I mean we know you can do a lot more in the ring but we're going to limit you because you aren't inhumanely ripped"
Backstabber/Lungblower/Jumping Double Knee Backbreaker: Used by Primo and Epico, previously used by Carlito and Maven prior to him.
Jumping Reverse STO/Paydirt/Little Jimmy: Used by R Truth, previously used by MVP and Shelton Benjamin prior to him.
Overdrive/O-Zone/Playmaker: Used by MVP, previously used by Carlito and Randy Orton prior to him.
Knockout Punch/WMD: Used by Big Show, previously used by Mark Jindrak, Bart Gunn prior to Jindrak and Diesel prior to Gunn.
Complete Shot/Downward Spiral/Knox Out/Reverse STO/Flatliner: Used by Mike Knox, previously used by Scott Steiner, Chris Kanyon prior to Steiner and Edge prior to Kanyon.
Furthermore, many of the NXT and FCW guys are using simple and generic wrestling moves as their finishers. I've read somewhere that the lower card guys have very little say in choosing a finishing move and in cases such as Evan Bourne - it's been because he proved he constantly perform a safe SSP.
I wonder if the conversations go something like this
Vince McMahon: "Ah Windham, how are you? Please come in and take a seat"
Creative Minion: ("Ah shit, here he goes again")
Vince McMahon: "Now listen Windham, you're a well built guy so we're going to call you Husky Harris because you look... Husky and because Harris is a reasonably Irish sounding surname and I love Irish names, did I tell you that I'm of Irish descent?
Windham Rotunda: "Uh no sir, you didn't"
Vince McMahon: "Well we'll talk about that another time, now you're going to wear trunks and you're going to do a running senton splash as a finisher because there is nothing more entertaining than seeing a well built guy smashing his back into a downed opponent, is there? I mean we know you can do a lot more in the ring but we're going to limit you because you aren't inhumanely ripped"
I could see that actually taking place as a plausible conversation.
Entirely plausable.
"The insanely ripped bodybuilders who I generally like to put in the main event are quite limited to what they can do in the ring. So, in the interest of fairness, I think it's only fitting that we put restrictions on the smaller guys and talented wrestlers we still employ for the mid-card so that the bodybuilders who are in my good graces aren't made to look bad by comparison."
Vince: Also...Hunter, I want this taken care of. Issue a standing directive for all arenas we have shows in, that those damn stupid Cornette face signs be confiscated. I don't care if fans...errr the WWE Universe...bitch and complain about it. I can't stand the sight of that fat jack asses face!!!
Hunter: On it Vince.
Hunter: On it Vince.
The best part of this is that the confiscation job would probably be passed down from one exec to another until it eventually reaches the NXT guys.
I totally could see that happening. LOL...and sadly I could see a variation of the conversation I typed occurring, maybe not directly from Vince since I'm not sure of the exact nature of his relationship with Cornette, but from what I've heard and read it ended badly. I know that Cornette still respects Vince from his various commentaries.
I've read and heard some interesting things about Big Johnny and how he operates and hires talent. Probably not all true, but they were interesting and put him in a bad light.
Yeah, there's a lot of dirt out there regarding WWE's hiring and firing practises. The likes of Jim Cornette will profess to WWE looking at hiring underwear and swimsuit models over trained wrestlers as their Divas.
It would seem that the thing that lets WWE down most, is also it's greatest asset - Vince McMahon. There is no denying that Vince is a brilliant businessman, having an eye for those with the potential to become big stars and doing an incredible job at marketing them, along with letting their natural talent shine through. The problem is that Vince has a rather distasteful sense of humour and this has lead to a lot of awful segments because Vince finds it funny. In the past people like Pat Patterson (who is one of the few people that Vince apparently yields to) were around to talk him out of going ahead with distasteful programming, but nowadays it seems that no-one, with the exception of maybe Triple H and Stephanie can get him to yield.
It would seem that the thing that lets WWE down most, is also it's greatest asset - Vince McMahon. There is no denying that Vince is a brilliant businessman, having an eye for those with the potential to become big stars and doing an incredible job at marketing them, along with letting their natural talent shine through. The problem is that Vince has a rather distasteful sense of humour and this has lead to a lot of awful segments because Vince finds it funny. In the past people like Pat Patterson (who is one of the few people that Vince apparently yields to) were around to talk him out of going ahead with distasteful programming, but nowadays it seems that no-one, with the exception of maybe Triple H and Stephanie can get him to yield.
I think Vince's sense of humour and enjoyment of "toilet humour" and the like has hurt the program on occasion every time it is used. Not to mention the various insults and occasional targeting of various talent every once in a while due to this (Jim Ross of course). I was reading last week that apparently Jillian of all people was being made fun of for something? I mean she just returned! This kind of thing just comes off as petty and low.
Following up on my earlier post about Kevin Nash, I was absolutely correct about the reasons for his planned feud with CM Punk being nixed. Here are Nash's own words, taken from a brand-new interview with PWTorch.com, on the subject:
Interesting. Triple H is once again called upon to fill a program's spot...as he did last year with Undertaker after WWE failed to sign Sting. Kevin was also filming a movie at this time as well. Kevin has also said that he and Phil got along great while he was there. He hung around Cena a bit as well. Nash has actually had a lot of praise for John, including saying that he admires that he has able to hold on to his creative control over his character for so long (he didn't use the words creative control in the interview or sound bite or whatever, but he was implying this). I have always had mixed feelings about Nash, but generally have been a fan of his.
Nash has always been an intelligent, articulate guy who was capable of working a good match with the right guy. I just got sick of the insanity he played a part in (however big a part people want to say he played) during the rise and fall of WCW. I never had a problem with his TNA run, and I honestly really enjoyed his recent WWE run. It's a shame the Punk match didn't go down.
I for one, have been critical of Kevin Nash's role in the fall of and of and booking himself to win World Championships in WCW, his generally shitty work-rate, and his potential to blow out his knee seemingly at any time he enters the ring. He is not, nor has he ever been my favorite wrestler. Most of his ideas on where the professional wrestling product 'should' be would but us back in the mid-ninties.
That said, I respect his honesty here.
That said, I respect his honesty here.
^ Agreed, this is precisely why I stated I have had mixed feelings regarding Nash, He also doesn't come across very well in a lot of the shoot interviews that he has done over the years. He comes across as a douche, don't know if that is because Waltman is in most of them with him and Sean has a bad influence on him or not (as I've mentioned in the thread before, I really do not like Waltman) or if Kevin just has douchey aspects to his personality or something. Lately though he hasn't really said anything that would portray him in that light.
^ Yeah, I didn't even tough upon the fact that he comes off as an douche in about 85% of his interviews. I liked him in the Wolfpac, but that was mostly by proxy because Sting was among my favorite wrestlers at the time.
This interview here, does however absolve WWE 'creative' of dropping the ball on the "Summer of Punk". Fine, I can admit when I'm wrong. It's Nash's fault.
This interview here, does however absolve WWE 'creative' of dropping the ball on the "Summer of Punk". Fine, I can admit when I'm wrong. It's Nash's fault.
For some weird reason, I really don't know why, one of my favorite matches of all time is still Bret/Nash from Survivor Series 1995.
And I haven't liked Sean Waltman since roughly 2001. I've seen him offer some interesting insights on Twitter now and again, but I've never been able to sit through his shoot interviews for more than five minutes, before I'm suddenly struck with the urge to punch something.
And I haven't liked Sean Waltman since roughly 2001. I've seen him offer some interesting insights on Twitter now and again, but I've never been able to sit through his shoot interviews for more than five minutes, before I'm suddenly struck with the urge to punch something.
^ That's what we smarks call "Xpac Heat". 
^ Yeah, I didn't even tough upon the fact that he comes off as an douche in about 85% of his interviews. I liked him in the Wolfpac, but that was mostly by proxy because Sting was among my favorite wrestlers at the time.
This interview here, does however absolve WWE 'creative' of dropping the ball on the "Summer of Punk". Fine, I can admit when I'm wrong. It's Nash's fault.
It's Nash's fault that he has to be on Plavix in order to prevent a heart attack, which resulted in him being medically ineligible to compete so long as he stayed on the drug? Ooooooooooooo-kay.
