wwe vs tnt anyone watching?

[Satyrquaze]

There is no point in putting the belt on somebody who isn't red hot, unless they are a reasonably new talent who need that final boost to the main event platform that winning a world championship provides.

I have two words for you:

Great Khali

Indeed, but this can be attributed to business/political functioning because WWE were seriously trying to score a market in India at the time (they still are, but realised that Khali wasn't exactly a draw as champion).

Perfectly logical point. Jericho is however a proven comodity who can draw for the company on a regular basis.

However, I think Jericho getting the win at Maina would do nothing but damage Punk's claim of being the 'Best in the World'. Particularly since his contranct is undoubtably shorter than Punk's in the extreme.

Jericho could have retired in 2002 having done basicaly everything he ever wanted to do in wrestling... other than tag-teaming with Owen Hart.

I'm certainly not saying that Jericho *should* win at Mania, I just saw a flaw in your reasoning, and had to comment.

I shudder at the thought of Big Johnny as Sole General Manager!!! What was the point of getting Mick Folely back? I guess Mick just came back for the HOF thing...which I guess will be next year? I'm just tired of heel GM's...Rao...I sound like someone else in this thread now!!

Please. One is enough.

Course, you're slacking on the sheer quantity of exclamation points, horrendous grammar and terrible spelling.

 

[Defcon]

I remember reading a while back that Jennifer Hudson doesn't like the idea of her husband wrestling (yet she married a wrestler!!) didn't think much of that at the time, but it makes sense why they've paired him up with Big Johnny. I have barely seen him wrestle...although that also could be because I don't watch Smackdown

He has wrestled relatively often as of late and to be honest I think he has come a long way since his NXT days and has become a valuable member of the WWE roster: He is entertaining on the mic, has charisma and has become pretty solid in the ring (and continues to improve IMO).

And I think the Jennifer Hudson story has pretty much been debunked as NEWZ IIRC.

 

[Mr Silver]

He has wrestled relatively often as of late and to be honest I think he has come a long way since his NXT days and has become a valuable member of the WWE roster: He is entertaining on the mic, has charisma and has become pretty solid in the ring (and continues to improve IMO).

Sorry, I'll agree that he's improved - just not as a wrestler.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I agree with Satyrquaze regarding the Jericho thing...that was the point that I was attempting to make earlier.

 

[Defcon]

He has wrestled relatively often as of late and to be honest I think he has come a long way since his NXT days and has become a valuable member of the WWE roster: He is entertaining on the mic, has charisma and has become pretty solid in the ring (and continues to improve IMO).

Sorry, I'll agree that he's improved - just not as a wrestler.

If you say so.

Look, I'm not saying that he is a great or even overly good technical wrestler, but when you look at him now versus his first televised matches there's a huge difference in his in-ring skills IMO. He is able to have solid matches with most of the roster, and even (very) good ones when he's guided by more experienced wrestlers (I enjoyed his match against Orton on the X-Mas Smackdown Special last year for example).

Definitely deserves his spot as midcard heel in my opinion.

 

[barnaclelapse]

I'm still going to be surprised if Jericho wins at Mania, but I wouldn't be shocked if he won it shortly thereafter. I still have no idea how long he plans to stay this time, of course.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Frankly, as much as I would like Chris to win the title, I'd be fine with Punk retaining it as well. He has made an excellent WWE Champion so far, despite the lack of pay off with the Authority story line. Is it just me or are they really becoming lazy with this stuff now? We've not really touched on this stuff. It seems like they're giving more power to Big Johnny on camera...and not bothering to explain stuff. They've abandoned entire story line attempts in my eyes. I still think there were some kind of plans to do a big heel stable story line but they were abandoned due to people not performing, wellness policy violations, and the like. The Kevin Nash thing still makes no sense to me even if we take into consideration it was just Kev wanting a last match against his best friend. You guys have to admit that there has been some strange stuff this past year! I can't be the only one alone in this

 

[Mr Silver]

I think the conspiracy storyline being abandoned had a lot to do with The Rock and John Cena's feud and WWE not wanting to take focus away from that by creating another long term storyline. That's just the mentality of the creative department, I've lost count the number of times they've aborted something because they don't want to risk something else.

You would think that the business element in Vince and WWE would reason that having multiple long term draws would make more money than just one. Of course, everyone knows that Rock/Cena will definitely draw whereas something involving Triple H, CM Punk, The Miz, R Truth, Kevin Nash and a host of others is risky, especially when you take away the main factor that would have made it work - the Mr McMahon character. Of course that was probably done to avoid parallels to Austin/McMahon with the involvement of CM Punk, which is funny given that such parallels have been drawn with Punk/Laurinaitis, although that feud was a fraction of the feud that Austin/McMahon was.

As far as I'm concerned, the point of no return for the conspiracy angle began when the focus shifted from CM Punk to Triple H and the general clusterfuck of branching storylines that followed in this period (Miz and Truth as a serious threat to a cuckooland team to cannonfodder for Cena and Rock, Kevin Nash feuding with CM Punk, then not actually having a match and Triple H being the on that Nash faces, etc).

In hindsight, it's probably solely down to CM Punk, John Cena, The Rock and John Laurinaitis that WWE was still drawing between October and Janauary.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Agreed with your points Admiral M (see we still agree on some things!). Actually I would go further and think things took their first swerve when Ron Killings violated the wellness policy. That destroyed basically all the momentum that Awesome Truth had gained at that point, they were over as a heel tag team and should've been the tag team champions. I would have personally written them as the "prophets" who ushered in the coming of the new world order (yeah I still refuse to leave that alone guys lol I wanted to see them so badly lol).

 

[DigificWriter]

I believe the reason a match between Kevin Nash and CM Punk never materialized out of Nash sticking his nose in Punk's feud with Triple H is that Nash was unable to get medically cleared to compete and was consequently not able to get 'ring ready' again in time for that match to materialize.

 

[timothy]

best moment tonight so far teddy long bitch slaped john . fantastic.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Actually it was probably more to do with Nash not being available while filming a movie.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Updated 28 card.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_59306.shtml

 

[timothy]

wrestlemania is shaping to be a good ppv. I just hope they don't book another match in a year advance.

 

[Mr Silver]

The big news making the rounds is that WWE has shut down FCW! What an insane thing to do especially at this time of year when Wrestlemania is so close and big opportunities for call ups are normally available post-Wrestlemania.

The only good thing that could come out of this is if WWE are planning on dropping this nonsense that they put their developmental talent through (namely the former Indie guys) that consists of giving them crappy names and making them learn to work a style just doesn't interest the audience. I mean the veterans all learnt to work a non-WWE style and simply adapted their wrestling ability to what WWE wanted. This means that they are actually capable of working matches of distinction whenever they are given the chance to do so, whereas the fresh developmental guys seem to know nothing but the WWE style and it can take them a long time to get really get good in the ring when they are put in good spots on the card where excellent wrestling is expected.

No wonder they screwed up the Nexus angle, none of the guys could hang with the top WWE guys in the ring. WWE is it's own worst contradiction...

 

[Satyrquaze]

The big news making the rounds is that WWE has shut down FCW!

What the hell are they thinking?

 

[Mr Silver]

Looks like a false alarm, It seems that FCW is merely finishing it's TV deal. That's good news for the developmental guys, although my thoughts about WWE making some changes still stand.

Getting back to what I said earlier, none of the Nexus guys were capable of having A-grade matches during the storyline because they only knew how to work the WWE "TV heel" style. Obviously I'm excluding Daniel Bryan, because he wasn't part of the Nexus during the peak of the storyline and is easily one of the best wrestlers in WWE when working their toned down style. If they let Danielson wrestle to his full ability, he'd steal the show - but then many wrestlers on the roster would if they were allowed to wrestle to their fully ability.

I've often wondered how this toned back style that WWE employs came about. Naturally I look to some of the main event workers in the 1980's who were below average in the ring (but excelled at psychology, working the crowd and cutting promos) and WWE covering up their shortcomings by not allowing the guys who were lower on the card to wrestle to their fully ability. The likes of Ricky Steamoboat were definitely victims of this and in Steamboat's case, they only seemed to let him go all out in his classic match with Randy Savage at Wrestlemania III. You just have to look at Steamboat's time in other promotions to see how good he really was during his prime.

It's interesting as to why this practise in WWE has continued, because most of the top talent in recent years have had very good in ring abilities and the one's that haven't exactly stood out, were/are still quite capable of rising to the occasion (John Cena at MITB 2011 for example).

 

[Admiral_Young]

One of my favourite heel character's will be inducted into the HOF...Yokozuna!

 

[Mr Silver]

In regards to Yokozuna getting the HOF nod - it's about time. WWE has been really careful about which deceased wrestlers they induct because of the negative publicity they recieved during the Benoit tragedy. I remember the media basically listing every former WWE wrestler who had died under the age of 50 and this has seemed to dissuade them from inducting anyone fitting into this category.

The main consequence of this is that people who really deserve to be in the HOF are left out. The HOF is decided by Vince - like most things in WWE so it isn't a true "Hall of Fame" where a panel gets together and votes on who to induct. Still, it's a big honour in the world of professional wrestling because the personality going in is having his/her accomplishments recognised by the biggest wrestling company in the world.

So with that announcement we have...

Edge
Mike Tyson
The Four Horsemen (with the exception of Ole Anderson)
Ron Simmons
Mil Mascaras
Yokozuna

That is easily one of the best HOF lineups that WWE has produced.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Indeed...I am starting to wonder if we'll get Savage or not. It seemed a no brainer, unless they are waiting to make that their last announcement.