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Writer's strike ending... will the script get reworked?

ManOnTheWave said:
Yeah. I think was was just kvetching to show his support of his striking (and out of work) brethren.

Exactly. It was commiseration among brothers-in-arms, and it wound up in a blog on the Internet. You know what happens then. :lol:
 
Babaganoosh said:
davejames said:
Agreed. Just because they can't make changes to the actual script doesn't mean Abrams couldn't have thrown out a few suggestions to the actors, does it?

Actually, I think it did mean that.

Any suggestions would probably be considered writing.

Now the actors could have done their OWN adlibs, and (since most of them in this film are probably not WGA members, unlike Abrams) that would be permissible. But Abrams could not have suggested any.
This may be a question of sematics, but couldn't Abrams do the things "within the normal realm" of directing or "within industry standards" of what a director normally does, such as add a great line or two?

What I'm trying to say is that if a "director" is allowed to do this, then why would a director who just happens to also have a WGA union card be disqualified from doing his "normal directorial duties" such as suggesting a line to an actor?

If Abrams in good conscience can say "I added that line in the course of doing my normal directorial duties, not as a writer", then I don't see why that would have been a problem. I'm not talking loopholes here -- that's why I said "in good conscience".
 
Jackson_Roykirk said:
What I'm trying to say is that if a "director" is allowed to do this, then why would a director who just happens to also have a WGA union card be disqualified from doing his "normal directorial duties" such as suggesting a line to an actor?

If Abrams in good conscience can say "I added that line in the course of doing my normal directorial duties, not as a writer", then I don't see why that would have been a problem. I'm not talking loopholes here -- that's why I said "in good conscience".

An ad lib on the set has to be written down afterward, and added to the script. This is necessary for production reasons among others.

If the line is contributed by a member of the WGA, they're bound by the WGA MBA. It is that simple.

It's extremely unlikely that, as a writer and a member of the WGA, Abrams would say in good conscience that any writing he performed on the set was not writing. If he'd felt that he could add that line in good conscience doubtless he would have.
 
I find it doubtful that anything of significance will be done to the script at this point. Correct me if I'm wrong but principal photography wraps in March, right? So you can mess with those scenes still yet to be shot and can do some stuff in pick-ups and post, but really, the script they started with is essentially going to be what we see on screen. Much more so than most films, I'd wager.
 
Dennis --

Maybe you answered my question or maybe you didn't (I can be quite thickheaded sometimes), but if a director is NOT part of the WGA, was he "allowed" to add lines a few lines during the strike?...and when I write "allowed", I mean could he have done it without pissing off the guild.

Is a director allowed to add a few lines without it actually being called "writing"?
 
Jackson_Roykirk said:
Dennis --

Maybe you answered my question or maybe you didn't (I can be quite thickheaded sometimes), but if a director is NOT part of the WGA, was he "allowed" to add lines a few lines during the strike?...and when I write "allowed", I mean could he have done it without pissing off the guild.

Is a director allowed to add a few lines without it actually being called "writing"?
I'm not Dennis/Starship Polaris but my understanding is that if Abrams was not a WGA member, then yes, he would be "allowed". But he IS a member, so there is no way to divorce the two functions in a legitimate fashion.
 
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^^ Thank you. That's interesting.

So the second-unit director can suggest lines to actors (as long as he is not in the WGA), but the primary director cannot because he IS a member.
 
John_Picard said:
Maybe, in the movie, Spock will travel back in time and avert the strike, thereby enabling a better script, that does not involve Time Travel, to be written.

Spock travels back in time to prevent a time travel... but has to travel through time to implement the change... but he wants to prevent time travel... but he has to time travel to make it work!!! GAAAH!!! It's too much for my mind to handle!!! :p
 
archeryguy1701 said:
John_Picard said:
Maybe, in the movie, Spock will travel back in time and avert the strike, thereby enabling a better script, that does not involve Time Travel, to be written.

Spock travels back in time to prevent a time travel... but has to travel through time to implement the change... but he wants to prevent time travel... but he has to time travel to make it work!!! GAAAH!!! It's too much for my mind to handle!!! :p
That sound like something Kirk would say if he wanted a computer/android to get stuck in a "logic loop".
 
Jackson_Roykirk said:
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^^ Thank you. That's interesting.

Hollywood union rules are some of the strictest ever written in terms of defending each separate guild's "turf" on the set. Two loose nails on a set that are 6 inches away from each other may be the responisbility of entirely different guilds to fix depending on the circumstances.
 
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^^ That's like this variation on the old joke:

Electrician's Union worker #1: "How many Teamsters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Electrician's Union worker #2: "A Teamster should be nowhere NEAR that lightbulb."
 
Jackson_Roykirk said:
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^^ That's like this variation on the old joke:

Electrician's Union worker #1: "How many Teamsters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Electrician's Union worker #2: "A Teamster should be nowhere NEAR that lightbulb."

Except it's TRUE... :)
 
archeryguy1701 said:
I seem to recall hearing that Iceland was the very first thing they did.

No, I think they shot on location somewhere in California first.

I'm wondering if they decided to nix the Iceland location shoot and do it on stage, though I know how much J.J. likes things to look 'real'.
 
Iceland was dumped to save $ on location shooting....
However Vasques Rocks stepped in for a location....
- W -
* Weird how that happened, eh ? *
 
Starship Polaris said:
Does any of this speculation track to anything more substantial than Abrams' remark on the picket line one day that he'd come up with a "great line" on the set and was frustrated that he couldn't include it?

No. *pfft* :rommie:
 
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At least it has a basis in fact. There are whole discussions carved out of whole cloth imagination. Extrapolating scenarios from breadcrumbs is the unofficial motto of this forum from now until the premiere.
 
^^^
True... some speculations are better than others. Waaaay back when I said this film would be about how Kirk meet Spock, I was laughed at and had my threads trolled into the dust. Well, it's funny how my intuition isn't so close to the various speculations on Byzantine Romulan plots, time inversions with Section31, and the obligatory ENT reference. :censored:
 
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Well, we'll be getting Romulans; Orci's on record that the film has some kind of ENT reference, and of course there's time travel. So you all sorta got parts of it right.

Except for those guys who thought it'd be another TNG movie.
 
There is an ENT reference? Orci said that? Missed that one! :lol: Wonder what that will be...

It's funny, I was mocking the fanboyish ruminations on the upcoming film, but Orci seems to be a few steps ahead of us all. :lol:
 
^

I think I remember reading him saying there will be references of some time to all of the series.

Specifically though, I'm keen to find out about the ENT reference.
 
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