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Writers forgetting common technologies?

I think it has demonstrated both and I'm inclined to think it leaned too far another way.

Yes, it certainly has demonstrated dangerous tech and yes I agree that other power options would be appropriate to explore but I'll not assume that it will happen automatically.

This is where we differ... because SF demonstrated concern for environmental protection, etc... you'd think that exploring other sources of power generation that did not rely on dilithium (especially once Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant with an array of different functional technologies) and FTL methods would take precedence and in line with how they think.

But I digress... nothing we can do about that since the writers chose to go in that direction.
 
This is where we differ... because SF demonstrated concern for environmental protection, etc... you'd think that exploring other sources of power generation that did not rely on dilithium (especially once Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant with an array of different functional technologies) and FTL methods would take precedence and in line with how they think.

But I digress... nothing we can do about that since the writers chose to go in that direction.
Do I think that they explored it? Yes. Do I think they maintained it enough for it to be reliable replacement? Clearly no.
 
The new tech introduced by Discovery that was supposed to be "always there" offscreen, mainly the https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/DOT-7 as well as a DOT-7 canonically established in Short Treks as being on the Enterprise from TOS to the movies, also don't make sense if you think about them. Why couldn't a DOT-7 have handled whatever Spock was doing in the radioactive chamber instead of Spock sacrificing himself at the Wrath of Khan ending?
 
The new tech introduced by Discovery that was supposed to be "always there" offscreen, mainly the https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/DOT-7 as well as a DOT-7 canonically established in Short Treks as being on the Enterprise from TOS to the movies, also don't make sense if you think about them. Why couldn't a DOT-7 have handled whatever Spock was doing in the radioactive chamber instead of Spock sacrificing himself at the Wrath of Khan ending?
Training ship. Reassigned the DOTs to the Excelsior and other ships.
 
I have several issues with the writing. Forgetting to include various trifle minutia is not one of them.
I mean when that minutia can impact entire characterizations, it does become odd.

Vance: My Betazoid assistant tells me you believe you are who you say you are. So I can be less of a jerk. Yeah you might be sleeper agents, but even if you were it wouldn't be your fault and you're not aware of it so I'm not going to take it out on you. We'll make the debriefing as painless as possible.
 
I mean when that minutia can impact entire characterizations, it does become odd.

Vance: My Betazoid assistant tells me you believe you are who you say you are. So I can be less of a jerk. Yeah you might be sleeper agents, but even if you were it wouldn't be your fault and you're not aware of it so I'm not going to take it out on you. We'll make the debriefing as painless as possible.
Vance has no reason to be that reasonable.
 
The new tech introduced by Discovery that was supposed to be "always there" offscreen, mainly the https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/DOT-7 as well as a DOT-7 canonically established in Short Treks as being on the Enterprise from TOS to the movies, also don't make sense if you think about them. Why couldn't a DOT-7 have handled whatever Spock was doing in the radioactive chamber instead of Spock sacrificing himself at the Wrath of Khan ending?
When DOT-7 is a main character they'll get to do the heroic sacrifice bit.
 
I don't really want to get into a point-by-point rebuttal with Deks because we're just gonna end up repeating ourselves, but I do just want to touch base on this:

No, its not linear. Technological and scienctific development is EXPONENTIAL.
There is such a thing as 'point of no return' where you reach a 'threshold' of sorts and progression simply doesn't stop anymore. You can't put the proverbial genie back into the bottle

I see no reason to believe that this is true. I certainly believe there's a threshold where further progress becomes a great deal easier to accomplish, but I see no evidence for the idea that there's a point beyond which progress can never stop.

While we're nitpicking things, it's not a lost technology, it's just not being used commercially. The military has plenty of supersonic jets.

Supersonic fighter jets are a different technology from supersonic passenger airliners though.

I mean, yeah, the info is out there in archives, but for practical purposes it is temporarily a lost technology. If there was some sudden pressing need for transporting mass numbers of people at supersonic speeds, the capacity just isn't there: the planes haven't been maintained for twenty years, there are no new ones, organizational memory of how to pilot them is fading due to the length of time since anyone's flown them, etc. Yes, with time and effort the technology can be re-gained based on records and new construction -- but it is, for practical purposes, lost for now.

Considering that Starfleet is NOT a military organisation, I'd say it didn't and it wouldn't.

A military is the organization created and operated by the state whose duty is to defend the state in a time of war and whose members are beholden to a system of courts and laws separate from those that bind the civilian population.

Starfleet is operated by the United Federation of Planets and has the duty of defending the Federation in times of war. Its members are beholden to a system of Starfleet courts-martial administered by a JAG Corps, with special laws and sentences imposed upon officers and enlisted personnel separate than can be imposed upon civilians. In particular, Starfleet has the legal right to imprison personnel for refusing to obey lawful orders, which is not something your boss can do at the local McDonald's.

Starfleet is a military. Its operational ethos is scientific, diplomatic, and nonviolent whenever possible. But it is still a military. Hence the fighting of wars and hence the courts-martial.

The new tech introduced by Discovery that was supposed to be "always there" offscreen, mainly the https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/DOT-7 as well as a DOT-7 canonically established in Short Treks as being on the Enterprise from TOS to the movies, also don't make sense if you think about them. Why couldn't a DOT-7 have handled whatever Spock was doing in the radioactive chamber instead of Spock sacrificing himself at the Wrath of Khan ending?

Obviously that first shot the Reliant got off must have short-circuited the entire DOT computer network! ;) That, for training ships don't have DOTs so that cadets have to learn to do the job themselves.
 
The new tech introduced by Discovery that was supposed to be "always there" offscreen, mainly the https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/DOT-7 as well as a DOT-7 canonically established in Short Treks as being on the Enterprise from TOS to the movies, also don't make sense if you think about them. Why couldn't a DOT-7 have handled whatever Spock was doing in the radioactive chamber instead of Spock sacrificing himself at the Wrath of Khan ending?

How do you think Voyager remained spick and span every week? The DOT-7's were kept in the same cupboard as the spare shuttles and photon torpedoes.
 
The question of whether or not Starfleet is a military is the only thing I’ve seen Trekkies nearly come to blows over.
Trekkies can be bad, but maybe not as bad as Star Wars fans (hopefully so far). I once stated offhand on a Star Wars forum that Luke's fantasy dream with Camie in the Last Jedi novelization (someone who had bullied him and called him Wormie) seemed out of character (that his dream would be with someone like her instead of any other women he'd met who were kinder to him). The response was so vicious and crossed legal lines that I had to hire a law firm to get involved.

I think Starfleet has been portrayed as "brutal" enough beyond other professions that it might not be desirable for a lot of people regardless of if it has official "military" classification or not. Even Noonien Soong seemed horrified that Data joined Starfleet. Military institutions in both fiction and reality are probably the places most likely to have the newest technology, but civilians have been catching up (SpaceX in the real world, Rios' fancy La Sirena civilian ship in Picard in Trek).

We could probably have had a perfectly decent overview of 32nd century technology just from Book's point of view without meeting up with 32nd century Starfleet.
 
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Trekkies can be bad, but maybe not as bad as Star Wars fans (hopefully so far).
Ha!

I've seen poor behaviors from all fandoms. I think the death threats towards Harve Bennett and Nick Meyer regarding TWOK are rather telling.

ETA: And I'm sorry that the fandom reacted so negatively to a fan fiction. Sadly it is not surprising to me.
 
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President Archer: Now that every Federation citizen gets a free food synthesizer and clothing replicator, as well as a free trailer for housing, I can officially declare that the Federation. Has. Eradicated. Poverty!!!!

And with the Mars Defense Perimeter in the Sol System as well as similar defense systems in other Federation systems, I can declare that Starfleet. Is. No. Longer. A. Military!!

Soval: Humans.
 
Time travel itself is a perfect example. The TOS crew developed a method of time travel that didn’t require any advanced technology beyond warp drive and was safe and reliable enough that they were able to do it with a stolen Klingon ship.

So why get stuck in the 32nd century? Why not ditch Discovery somewhere, get another ship and use the slingshot technique to return? Because it would be a very short and boring third season.

They were able to do it with their own ship (IE the original 1701) by accident (see TOS S1 - "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" - after which Kirk stated know that they know the technique works they may risk it in the future); and they did as Star Fleet ORDERED them to go back and do historical research in the year 1968 (See TOS S2 - "Assignment: Earth").
 
Time travel itself is a perfect example. The TOS crew developed a method of time travel that didn’t require any advanced technology beyond warp drive and was safe and reliable enough that they were able to do it with a stolen Klingon ship.

So why get stuck in the 32nd century? Why not ditch Discovery somewhere, get another ship and use the slingshot technique to return? Because it would be a very short and boring third season.
The only time travel technique Disco knows of involves time crystals and a set of high tech armor. They've never heard of a "slingshot", a Guardian of Forever or The Orb of Time.
 
The only time travel technique Disco knows of involves time crystals and a set of high tech armor. They've never heard of a "slingshot", a Guardian of Forever or The Orb of Time.
The Federation likely destroyed the orb of time and the Guardian of Forever. However, the slingshot maneuver calibrations may be known outside the Federation, and Discovery could learn about it from the black market. The Federation does not have the authority to forcibly remove this knowledge from others who may have it, like the Klingons or the Orion cartel. The Federation also doesn't have the authority to outlaw time travel tech outside of the Federation itself, and with how powerless the 32nd century Fed is smug Admiral Vance might not even have the power to enforce any time travel prohibition even within the Fed.

If Discovery spore jumps to Klingon space and does the slingshot maneuver in the Qo'nos system, what's Vance going to do? He'll never get another ship to Qo'nos in time to stop Discovery unless he has a new spore drive already made.
 
The Federation likely destroyed the orb of time and the Guardian of Forever. However, the slingshot maneuver calibrations may be known outside the Federation, and Discovery could learn about it from the black market. The Federation does not have the authority to forcibly remove this knowledge from others who may have it, like the Klingons or the Orion cartel. The Federation also doesn't have the authority to outlaw time travel tech outside of the Federation itself, and with how powerless the 32nd century Fed is smug Admiral Vance might not even have the power to enforce any time travel prohibition even within the Fed.

If Discovery spore jumps to Klingon space and does the slingshot maneuver in the Qo'nos system, what's Vance going to do? He'll never get another ship to Qo'nos in time to stop Discovery unless he has a new spore drive already made.
Pretty sure the Temporal Accords were something agreed to by multiple parties not just the Federation.
Despite Michael's rep as a rule breaker, she isn't taking the Disco that deep into forbidden waters
 
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