Wrath of Khan Genesis Planet
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As I said, I found your tone and willingness to toss everybody's contribution to the trash heap, not particulary diplomatic. I don't see how I've attacked you over an opinion of a movie. This isn't a debating forum where there needs to be a winner. Its a community, where people express opinions, answer questions, theorise, etc.
Ok, King of the forum. You don't get it. Duly noted. Please don't engage me in conversation again until you do.
Paraphrased, but a reasonable question. Not a personal attack at all. I am/was curious.
I am yet to be cautioned by a mod. Ever. I'm sure one will tell me if/when/how I've crossed a line.
I did not say that. There are many types of ST fans and I'm hardly going to expect any other fan to have the exact same views as me. I did kind of wonder aloud what attracts you to the ST movie threads if you have such distaste for both TMP and ST II. Fans often love one and hate the other, or vice versa. I found myself wondering what would interest you. But you are free to choose not to answer.
No, I often discuss elements of the ST movies I don't like on the BBS. Briefly, I found the resurrection of Spock in ST III quite shaky. I was saddened that the broader strokes in ST IV turned a whole group of our club members away because they saw it as "the end of Trek". I thought ST V was self-indulgent and ham-fisted. ST VI had some holes that were just glossed over.
Personal attack?
This may be a misjudgment on the writer's part, but I'm pretty sure it's a deliberate choice. Kirk is doing what the writer suggests he's been doing all of his life - pulling a victory out of his ass on the premise that the universe will arrange itself around his snap decisions.
When Kirk tells Scotty he needs something impossible in half the time it would take God to do it, he fully expects that to happen, somehow, while he moves on to the next thing. And when he finds out that this time it's cost him Spock and not the redshirt-of-the-week he's as gobsmacked by that as he is horrified by it.
Again, I'll answer you as if you're serious - which I doubt. It is a personal attack because implies a value judgement on my personality. That judgement being "If this guy doesn't like this then he must not like anything, therefore his arguments are invalid. He's just a complainer/troll." And, of course, what other things I like or don't like have nothing to do with the sloppiness of Spock's death. They only have to do with me personally. Hence a personal attack.
And of course combined with "If you don't like what I like maybe you should leave" which is as personal an attack as it can get without using offensive language. Like PlanetM, if you don't get it then don't speak to me anymore. I have no desire to continue a conversation with someone who has to resort to that kind of fallacious reasoning in order to get themselves out of a corner.
Which still renders Kirk's as incompetent as when he gets caught with his "britches down"...or is that the point?
The Genesis effect is about the customary level of BS "science" for Trek. Marcus says that the device will create "all the conditions necessary to sustain life, and it does - including a star and a planet out of nebular gas.
More than that, look at the Genesis cave. Where is that light coming from?
From a large crevice in the caves ceiling, probably mechanical and not created by the Genesis effect, mounted up there by the CoE to provide light to the cavern.
I think the earlier failure with the shield is to show a certain over confidence - so that is the point. That Kirk knows better than the kids. It doesn't make it a good point, though, considering how wrong he is in TMP over and over again. It grates on the nerves after awhile.
But the engineering thing is fully out of character. There's never been a time where Kirk wouldn't go down and brow beat the shit out of everyone to get a result. How many times has Kirk gone to engineering or sickbay in the past because he "wants answers"?
I'm sorry. This is the part I don't get. Why was it not Regula again? The nebula is gone, absorbed into the Genesis explosion and all that's nearby is Regula, for the life generating matter to be drawn to. The Enterprise travels to Mutara at impulse in a matter of minutes doesn't she? So it must be nearby. Maybe even visable from that planetoid. The camera just never points at it or whatever the nearest star to Regula is. There's obviously a star. A single bright light source nearby, in order for Regula to have a dark side in certain shots.
I can see why you would rule out Ceti Alpha, since both the Enterprise and Reliant zip around the Mutara Sector at warp speed. The Enterprise can't do that once Khan has attacked them, (and Kirk vice versa the Reliant). Both ships are reduced to impulse, with Kirk worried about whether they can actually get close enough to the Nebula - by the time Reliant sees them.
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They should still be able to count the bodies in the system and see that there was one missing.
It would have been easier to justify if they simply said Ceti Alpha IV was the planet thet blew up, not VI. Still a stretch but technically, Ceti Alpha V would become Ceti Alpha IV.
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