Wrap-up movie for TNG/DS9/VOY

[Gary7]

Yes, TOS/DS9/VOY all had fairly final endings... at least where the recurring characters were concerned. But life on DS9 goes on with Colonel Kira Nerys in command after Sisko ascended to the Celestial Temple. Life on board the Enterprise continues with the next captain after Picard retired. But enemies of the Federation remain, namely the Dominion and the Borg. I think there could be room for a movie about it, with a whole new set of characters. But I have to admit that the odds are very remote.

 

[iamtosk]

A movie based on the Destiny trilogy of books would make a fantastic wrap-up for ENT, TNG, DS9 and VOY all in one.

If you haven't read them yet you really should. Great story.

 

[F. King Daniel]

As far as I'm concerned, the true wrap up for all of classic Trek (TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT) is Star Trek: Of Gods and Men. It's primarily TOS, but there's a bit of everything and actors from every incarnation of Star Trek.

 

[antiquityscion]

Yes, TOS/DS9/VOY all had fairly final endings... at least where the recurring characters were concerned. But life on DS9 goes on with Colonel Kira Nerys in command after Sisko ascended to the Celestial Temple. Life on board the Enterprise continues with the next captain after Picard retired. But enemies of the Federation remain, namely the Dominion and the Borg. I think there could be room for a movie about it, with a whole new set of characters. But I have to admit that the odds are very remote.

They leave it open-ended like that because:

1. some fans don't want a final, final end, where characters are killed off, retired, or what have you. Not every aspect needs to be fleshed out, and not every avenue of every possible story needs to be explored. Some people like to see the open-ended finale where the heroes just sail off into the proverbial sunset, and not everything has to have an "endgame." *


2. It leaves room for authors to write books. Everything you are talking about is there.

* Speaking of which, the Borg did have an "endgame," in Endgame... Their trans warp conduits were destroyed and a virus was introduced by Janeway, killing the Queen, and probably accomplishing what Picard should have done in I, Borg. That was the borgs' last chronological appearance on screen. Between their defeat, 7 of 9 advising the Federation on Borg Tactics, and the fact the Borg would likely splinter, scatter,and some would even self-liberate, after the fall of the collective as what is explained in Descent, and in various Voyager episodes where this also happened, the Borg are arguably done, or at least a threat that is greatly diminished.

The Dominion was defeated, namely the founders, also by a virus. The Jem Hadar fleet, despite being powerful, was not strong enough to stand against The combined fleets of the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians. Why do you think they allied with the Breen, anyway? With the defeat of their gods, I would not put it past the Vorta and Jem Hadar to commit mass suicide, too. Once the Founders surrendered, the Breen would have abandoned the Dominion, and went back to their xenophobic ways, as well. If you recall, Odo went back to the founders to ensure they would not invade the Alpha quadrant again, and to teach them a different way than conquering civilizations. So they had an "endgame," too.

 

[Greg Cox]

My reasoning for a new show being set in the Prime continunity is the fallout from the destruction of Romulus. Surely there is a lot still there to be explored? .

Ah, but that's a narrative concern. It has nothing to do with the pragmatic reasons against going back to the old continuity after successfully launching a new version.

There needs to be a sound, business reason for backtracking at this point, not just loose ends and unanswered questions.

 

[Sean Aaron]

My reasoning for a new show being set in the Prime continunity is the fallout from the destruction of Romulus. Surely there is a lot still there to be explored? Since its set nearly a decade after the last TNG appearance, it doesn't need to feature any previous characters and could start with a completely new crew.

Seems good, though I agree with other posters that an ongoing series isn't in the cards. A mini-series with stars from the three 24th C. shows would seem to be good without the commitment issues you'd have with an ongoing series. Maybe six episodes? I definitely think a single 2-3hr. film wouldn't be able to satisfy.

 

[T'Girl]

Prime universe is done

Bingo.

Really you two?

You honestly think the average viewer, of either a new movie or a new series, is going to notice if it's set in the prime universe, or the alternate universe? i mean, sure the fans of the previous series are going to pick up right away. But most of the ticket buyers of Star Trek Eleven went to see a "science fiction movie" and likely didn't pick up on the alternate universe aspect.

The next movie could be set in the prime universe again and the non-fan theater goer would be none the wiser. The same with a new series, plop it smack down in the same prime universe we all know and love. And as long as the writing and the acting are great, the alternate universe can conveniently fade away like a SyFy friday night monster movie.

But don't worry, I sure a Trekbbs trivia contest will bring up the alternate universe occasionally.
Hey remember the rock men who were supposed to be in TFF, twenty-two years ago?

 

[Greg Cox]

You honestly think the average viewer, of either a new movie or a new series, is going to notice if it's set in the prime universe, or the alternate universe? i mean, sure the fans of the previous series are going to pick up right away. But most of the ticket buyers of Star Trek Eleven went to see a "science fiction movie" and likely didn't pick up on the alternate universe aspect.

The next movie could be set in the prime universe again and the non-fan theater goer would be none the wiser.

Perhaps, but that arguments cuts both ways. If the general audience don't care, why bother going back to the old continuity after you've gone to all the trouble of rebooting things? That kind of defeats the whole point of the reboot.

The only reason for undoing the reboot would be if it was generally perceived as a failure or a mistake, which isn't the case. They tried it, it worked . . . where's the incentive not to stick with the program?

And, honestly, I think there would be some confusion in the marketplace if any new series were based on the "old" version and not the latest incarnation.

I mean, suppose the Batman movies decided to ignore the new movies and pick up where the Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher films left off? Or if Pierce Brosnan suddenly took over as James Bond again? I imagine there would be some scratching of heads . . . .

Again, there has to be a reason to go backwards, besides just nostalgia. You seem to be assuming that the mass of fandom wants the old continuity back, which isn't necessarily the case . . . .

 

[Dukhat]

You honestly think the average viewer, of either a new movie or a new series, is going to notice if it's set in the prime universe, or the alternate universe? i mean, sure the fans of the previous series are going to pick up right away. But most of the ticket buyers of Star Trek Eleven went to see a "science fiction movie" and likely didn't pick up on the alternate universe aspect.

But there's a huge difference between a new Trek television series and a JJ Abrams summer/holiday blockbuster popcorn flick. A new Trek television series isn't going to be watched by the "average viewer." ENTERPRISE proved that without a doubt. It's going to be geeks like us that watch it, and you better damn well believe that we will know exactly what universe it takes place in.

 

[ialfan]

The Destiny trilogy of novels published in 2008 would be an amazing send-off to 24th Century Trek.

 

[Mr Silver]

I think I'm one of the few Star Trek fans that dislike Destiny and think it would make a terrible movie. Not to discredit David Mack, because its a fine written series of novels with an intriguing story. Its just that Destiny did not appeal to me as a reader or fan of the series.

 

[Greg Cox]

A new Trek television series isn't going to be watched by the "average viewer." ENTERPRISE proved that without a doubt. It's going to be geeks like us that watch it, and you better damn well believe that we will know exactly what universe it takes place in.

Here's the thing: No one in their right mind is going make a new STAR TREK series just for the "geeks." You have to at least try to appeal to the "average viewer" as well, or there's no point.

And, rightly or wrongly, there was a perception out there, among the general public, that STAR TREK was "too complicated" and that you needed to be a hardcore Trekkie, well versed in forty years of arcane lore and trivia, to understand it.

Now, in fact, I don't think that was actually the case. In reality, most TREK eps are more accessible than that, but the perception that it was for Trekkies only certainly seemed to be out there. I've encountered it from any number of non-Trekkie relatives, co-workers, librarians, school teachers, etc. "I like STAR WARS, but STAR TREK is too complicated. I can't speak Klingon."

The last thing you want to do is make people think that they have to have seen all the old shows to understand the new one. That just makes TREK seem too intimidating.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Would make less profit than another JJ movie so why would they bother?

Bingo.

 

[Mr Silver]

I consider Enterprise to be one of the most accessible spin offs. Its not overly geeky and has that ensemble appeal that TNG had. Its just a pity that it was broadcast on UPN (which didn't last very long after Enterprise was cancelled), if it had been broadcast on first run syndication like TNG and DS9, it might have lasted longer.

 

[Dukhat]

A new Trek television series isn't going to be watched by the "average viewer." ENTERPRISE proved that without a doubt. It's going to be geeks like us that watch it, and you better damn well believe that we will know exactly what universe it takes place in.

Here's the thing: No one in their right mind is going make a new STAR TREK series just for the "geeks." You have to at least try to appeal to the "average viewer" as well, or there's no point.

I wasn't trying to imply that the producers of a new Trek series would actually cater the show just for the "geeks." I'm just talking about the people who would actually watch it. My point was that ENT was billed as "the Star Trek show that can be enjoyed by fans and non-fans alike!!!"...that was the impetus for not actually having "Star Trek" in the title. Well, that didn't work out the way UPN thought, since non-fans weren't watching the show because the show was barely different from the previous Trek show that came before it. It was a whole new crew we've never heard of, on a ship we've never heard of, doing pretty much the same stuff that Voyager and TNG did.

One of the reasons why Star Trek '09 was so successful was because they catered to the average viewer by giving them what the average viewer clearly recognizes as Star Trek: Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock. The average viewer doesn't know or care about Janeway, the Dominion, or Kira Nerys in charge of DS9. Television producers know this. That's why there isn't going to be a new series in the prime universe.

 

[Greg Cox]

A new Trek television series isn't going to be watched by the "average viewer." ENTERPRISE proved that without a doubt. It's going to be geeks like us that watch it, and you better damn well believe that we will know exactly what universe it takes place in.

Here's the thing: No one in their right mind is going make a new STAR TREK series just for the "geeks." You have to at least try to appeal to the "average viewer" as well, or there's no point.

I wasn't trying to imply that the producers of a new Trek series would actually cater the show just for the "geeks." I'm just talking about the people who would actually watch it. My point was that ENT was billed as "the Star Trek show that can be enjoyed by fans and non-fans alike!!!"...that was the impetus for not actually having "Star Trek" in the title. Well, that didn't work out the way UPN thought, since non-fans weren't watching the show because the show was barely different from the previous Trek show that came before it. It was a whole new crew we've never heard of, on a ship we've never heard of, doing pretty much the same stuff that Voyager and TNG did.

One of the reasons why Star Trek '09 was so successful was because they catered to the average viewer by giving them what the average viewer clearly recognizes as Star Trek: Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock. The average viewer doesn't know or care about Janeway, the Dominion, or Kira Nerys in charge of DS9. Television producers know this. That's why there isn't going to be a new series in the prime universe.

Exactly.

 

[Courat]

I doubt wholeheartedly that a new movie will be made. There is just not the same fanbase that there was when the original stuff came out; no one will touch a project with such a small target audiance. They will be worried about losing money.
would be cool though.

EDIT: I agree with most above posts