Wouldn't Reliant already have all the Genesis data and materials.

[Captrek]

^Not necessarily. Often times in scientific research, the team leader's role in the research is more administrative; the bulk of the day-to-day research is handled by lower level scientists and graduate students. Carol Marcus would likely have been aware of the group's progress (i.e., which stage is the project in), but there's no guarantee she'd have known about the proto-matter. And based on what we saw of her in the films, I don't think she'd have approved of its use.

--Sran

David comments in TWOK that Carol will be remembered in one breath with Newton, Einstein and Surak, which suggests that she is more than a mere administrator.

Admittedly, David's apparently having a little fun with that comment, so it's unclear that we can take it at face value.

 

[Timo]

One does wonder what scientific discovery Surak was famed for...

(Or is this in fact the Suurok that the Suurok class of starships is named after?)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

David comments in TWOK that Carol will be remembered in one breath with Newton, Einstein and Surak, which suggests that she is more than a mere administrator.

As the project director, she'd be the one to credit for its success, but that doesn't mean she'd have known every last detail of how the project was undertaken. I don't mean to trivialize her role in the project itself, but I doubt she was involved in the day-to-day running of its experiments. My impression from her discussions with David is that he was probably the more hands-on of the two scientists.

One does wonder what scientific discovery Surak was famed for...

(Or is this in fact the Suurok that the Suurok class of starships is named after?)

Timo Saloniemi

I think David's comparison had more to do with the idea that Genesis would change the lives of everyone who could benefit from it, in the same way that Vulcan benefited from Surak's teachings.

--Sran

 

[Timo]

Whoever benefited from Newton's discoveries, though?

I mean, yeah, calculus is nifty and all, but Newton is not remembered as a person who changed our lives. Einstein is, but in the sense that he increased the odds of mushroom clouds in the afternoon - not a legacy Carol Marcus would be proud to match.

Perhaps David is suggesting that mom's actual work will be completely forgotten or ignored by the public, like Newton's or Einstein's? It would then be fitting that we know nothing of Surak's scientific research.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[BillJ]

My question is: did Starfleet provide the Genesis team with the protomatter?

 

[Captrek]

Whoever benefited from Newton's discoveries, though?

I mean, yeah, calculus is nifty and all, but Newton is not remembered as a person who changed our lives. Einstein is, but in the sense that he increased the odds of mushroom clouds in the afternoon - not a legacy Carol Marcus would be proud to match.

Perhaps David is suggesting that mom's actual work will be completely forgotten or ignored by the public, like Newton's or Einstein's? It would then be fitting that we know nothing of Surak's scientific research.

Timo Saloniemi

If he was trying to say that she would be remembered as the creator of an invention that would change everybody's lives, the line should have been, "They'll remember you in one breath with Thomas Edison, Orville and Wilbur Wright, Ron Popeil..."

 

[Nerys Myk]

My question is: did Starfleet provide the Genesis team with the protomatter?

David knew a guy who knew a guy.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

David knew a guy who knew a guy.

Actually, my (retconned) theory is that he got it from the prime universe version of his grandfather.

--Sran

 

[BillJ]

My question is: did Starfleet provide the Genesis team with the protomatter?

David knew a guy who knew a guy.

 

[eyeresist]

In ST2 and ST3 both, the heroes and villains get to study Genesis through an introductory video. This is probably something anybody can access from a centralized data network or from archives carried aboard every starship, with proper clearances; comparable material would no doubt exist on omega particles and the like. But the video tells next to nothing about the relevant technical specs of Genesis

The details were in a PDF attachment

David comments in TWOK that Carol will be remembered in one breath with Newton, Einstein and Surak, which suggests that she is more than a mere administrator.

Newton and Einstein are renowned as theoreticians, not engineers.

 

[Lance]

In ST2 and ST3 both, the heroes and villains get to study Genesis through an introductory video. This is probably something anybody can access from a centralized data network or from archives carried aboard every starship, with proper clearances; comparable material would no doubt exist on omega particles and the like. But the video tells next to nothing about the relevant technical specs of Genesis

Memory Alpha, maybe? The impression I got from The Lights Of Zetar is that Memory Alpha was a sort of 'cloud service' for the Federation, in that it is a central database that holds masses of information accessable by any crew or starship by logging into the server.

I agree that in some ways the video comes across more like a sales tape produced by the Genesis team as a means of getting funding for the project, rather than being something intrinsically "top secret" in itself.

 

[Timo]

It might make sense to include the sales tape or "primer" in the secret material package, though - Starfleet might have so many top secret projects ongoing that the need to know would extend to the need to know what the heck it is all about, too.

But Kirk shows to his pals the tape that has Marcus narrate. Kruge then gets from his spy the tape that has Kirk narrate. Yet Kruge, in possession of that latter tape, is not in possession of the actual secrets of Genesis. So the Marcus-narrated tape probably doesn't automatically come with actual specs, either: those have to be specifically requested.

OTOH, Janeway did have a comprehensive Omega Particle package aboard her ship, just locked for emergency use only. Every TOS movie era starship might have a suitable Genesis package aboard, too, independent of Memory Alpha style resources - more extensive than the mere sales pitch, although perhaps not comprehensive enough to allow anybody to actually build Genesis. Yet at least some extra information would be useful to people in Janeway's position to allow them to survive Genesis...

Timo Saloniemi