Wouldn't "Enterprise" also be effected by the time travel?

[Peter the Younger]

So thinking of First Contact,

When the Borg go back in time, using the logic here, they didn't alter history, but rather created a New Timeline, and because the Enterprise was caught in the Temporal Wake of the Sphere, they were sucked into that alternate Timeline. Then Picard and Company created yet another new timeline when they followed the Sphere back through the Temporal Portal.

I only half-jokingly suggested in another thread: This means the Borg Queen was just trying to escape to another timeline so she, personally, could have a do-over.


As for how the Many Worlds interpretation gels with the Temporal Cold War, it doesn't. But I'm fine with assuming that the TCW factions come from another alternate future, where everyone has a learning disability when it comes to temporal physics. We can call it Braga Syndrome.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

No way Nero is Future Guy. Future Guy was way too melodramatic, and not once did he say "Hi Jonathan, I'm Future Guy."

See?

Case closed.

 

[3D Master]

Much better: this movie is a pile of shit that doesn't understand how Star Trek works, what it is, and how it's time travel works. Better not to watch it, and forget it ever existed, as I do with this, another certain movie, and a certain pile of shit series.

 

[Islander]

Problems with tribbles?

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Nanananananaaaaa...... we're all living in JJverse! nuTrek rocks! We're da kewlz! *sticks out tongue in infantile triumph gesture*



*ahem*

Sorry.

 

[Jayson]

The fact that a timeship doesn't show up to me could be seen as proof that the orginal timeline still exsits. Does anyone recall that scene were the first officer is talking to Seven about all the different forms of time travel. Basically they know they are expects at time travel. This could mean then they only show up when a real alteration is about to happen. If they don't show up then it means any changes that happen are supose to happen, which I supsect would be the case of First Contact, or if the time alteration has created a divergent timeline that exsits in a seperate quantum reality.

Jason

 

[Islander]

Or they just have too much on their hands monitoring the entire galaxy in centuries of time and they just missed those events out. Hey, everybody is human...oid...

 

[Jayson]

It's not that complex. Nero's accidental travel into the past created a DIVERGENT timeline--it has no effect upon the "prime timeline" at all. That one continues as before. The only way for the new, alternate timeline to have any influence upon the "prime one" would be for someone from the new somehow traveling to the "prime" and influencing events there.

Seconded.

Techinally that is true but the divergent timeline was divegent from the prime timeline which means the new timeline WAS our timeline until it was changed. I see divergent timlines as basically being clones of the orginal timline that simply end up going down different paths from the orginal. it's kind of like if you went back in time and meet your dad. You would basically now be a in a different universe. The thing is though up until you got there your dad was basically the same person as your real dad which means you would basically now have two dads. It would be like what happened to Riker or Crighton when they were split in two. They both still exsited and they were once were exactly the same person only they ended up going down different paths once they became seperate. The Prime Trekline was changed and stayed same at the sametime if that makes since. With time travel involved though you can change the future or the past or even the past futher than how far you went back. They way I see Nero created a divergent timline by going their and then that universe became a altered timline the longer he was thre. It's possible though for milli-second the new timline created was exactly like the Prime timline only it quickly altered into something different and for all we know it could have gone through a infinite amount of changes before settling if you were on the one we ended up seeing.

Jason

 

[T'Paul]

That's a good point. Yet another reason why the movie should have been a complete reboot.

 

[ChristopherPike]

The continued existence of Spock (as well as the Admiral Archer prize beagle jibe), would seem to be proof that the Prime Universe still remains unaffected. Just another branch connected to the Trek tree like the Mirror one, or where each of those countless Enterprise-D's seen during Parallels came from. Otherwise, wouldn't Spock feel the effect of a timeline correcting itself and begin to find his memories changing too?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

The continued existence of Spock (as well as the Admiral Archer prize beagle jibe), would seem to be proof that the Prime Universe still remains unaffected.

That assumes the Spock that came through the black hole wasn't simply a copy and the prime universe has died out since.

 

[ClayinCA]

Much better: this movie is a pile of shit that doesn't understand how Star Trek works, what it is, and how it's time travel works. Better not to watch it, and forget it ever existed, as I do with this, another certain movie, and a certain pile of shit series.

"Don't mince words, Bones, what do you really think?"

 

[Cyke101]

Much better: this movie is a pile of shit that doesn't understand how Star Trek works, what it is, and how it's time travel works. Better not to watch it, and forget it ever existed, as I do with this, another certain movie, and a certain pile of shit series.

"Don't mince words, Bones, what do you really think?"

HaH! Well-played, sir

 

[Tom]

Why does every think Admiral Archer is Archer from Enterprise?? He would be over 145 years old or so? It is either a different Archer (it's not a rare last name you know) or perhaps Jonathan's son or grandson. Besides, the prime timeline canon (from IAMD) lists him as Federation President in his later years. Cleary, Porthos is not over 100 so that's a different beagal, maybe a decendant of Porthos, but who knows. It is great the writers gave a nod to 'Enterprise' , it's not realistic but a nice nod anyway's

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Well, let's remember that in TATV, we see Riker and Troi running a holo simulation of ENT, soooooo..... can of worms there, eh?

 

[Aragorn]

I think timeships are just about the worst thing made up in the Trekverse.

 

[xman]

Everything is changed. Tabula rasa. We know what Spock knows, that things used to be different than they are now and since he can't get back to a future which won't exist this is how they're going to stay. I already imagine that the Time Police don't exist here and that's why things stay changed. Personally, I'm hoping this timeline isn't as prone to traveling as the last one was.

X

 

[ockhamsrazor]

I think timeships are just about the worst thing made up in the Trekverse.

I completely agree. I don't like that whole direction which was established in VOY I think, with Starfleet heading towards this time-police thing, 29th century temporal mechanics stuff.

 

[Gotham Central]

Also there is the notion that the Defiant in the 'Tholoan Web' may have not happened and thus negating 'In a Mirror, Darkly'

Actually, I think that "IAMD" provides a nice little explanation for what happened. I just assumed that the red matter created another version of the interphase, thus allowing both the Narada and Jellyfish to simultaneously travel backward and sideways in time. Thus like the Defiant, they popped out in an alternate past. Indeed this is supported by the visual evidence that the Kelvin itself, though supposedly existing before the point of divergence, does not fit what we've seen of Starfleet of that era. The simplest answer to all of this is that they don't share a common past.

 

[Qued]

What if 24th Century Bermanverse was actually the alternate timeline, and Nero was from the alternate future to set events in the Prime Timeline.

What I am getting at maybe Vulcan was suppose to be destroyed, but what we all have been whitnessing the past 50 years was actually the alternate timeline.