Wouldn't "Enterprise" also be effected by the time travel?

[Jayson]

Alot of people seem to think that TNG,Ds9 and Voyager would be the only shows that would be changed by Nero but wouldn't this alternate timeline also impact the Enterprise adventures as well in this universe. If the future is changed then that means the temporal cold war is changed and it also means the Xindi arc also is erased as well since they were working with people from the future. Also the events of "First Contact" might be different as well since Picard and his crew might not have been there. That doesn't even take in account Timsehips of the 29th century. If they have timeships then that means at some point time travel has become a more common everyday thing which means you could be dealing with numerous of alterations that we aren't even familiar with. That's what is funny with time travel in Trek. You can change the past in numerous ways by simply changing the future.

Anyways this is a good reason why the Kelvin and the Enterprise don't look like anything we have seen before in terms of technolgy and the uniforms are different. The new timeline was already created even before Nero got there, simply because Nero got there.

Jason

 

[ockhamsrazor]

I wouldn't mind if the temporal cold war-b#llsh#t was erased

 

[Cyke101]

Alot of people seem to think that TNG,Ds9 and Voyager would be the only shows that would be changed by Nero but wouldn't this alternate timeline also impact the Enterprise adventures as well in this universe. If the future is changed then that means the temporal cold war is changed and it also means the Xindi arc also is erased as well since they were working with people from the future. Also the events of "First Contact" might be different as well since Picard and his crew might not have been there. That doesn't even take in account Timsehips of the 29th century. If they have timeships then that means at some point time travel has become a more common everyday thing which means you could be dealing with numerous of alterations that we aren't even familiar with. That's what is funny with time travel in Trek. You can change the past in numerous ways by simply changing the future.

Anyways this is a good reason why the Kelvin and the Enterprise don't look like anything we have seen before in terms of technolgy and the uniforms are different. The new timeline was already created even before Nero got there, simply because Nero got there.

Jason

Normal answer: Who knows? It's fun to guess. Even before the movie, some fans speculated with the same logic with Star Trek IV or Yesterday's Enterprise (Someone argued that the addition of Sela to TNG permanently adjusted the main timeline, much earlier than Nero ever did).

Official answer: the reason why so many people refer to ENT being more or less immune to the time changes is because Orci and Kurtzman outright said so in the interviews.

But with that said, the Kelvin looked like a natural precursor to TOS, right down to the deflector dish. Somehow, someway, their computers looked just a tad less advanced than TOS' bright 1960s-style buttons. Sure, their screens were flashy, but "In A Mirror Darkly" had Defiant computer displays that seemed far more advanced than the 60s.

 

[The_Beef]

Excellent points. Although on the matter of the timeships in the future, this is one of the principles reasons why I insist that there's no reason for people to get upset about the changed timeline based on the argument that it's erased everything else. Of course, in reality, the real issue is that this is a reboot and we aren't likely to see much more classic Trek stories aside from novels, but I don't mind that. For rationalizing the timeline issues, though, I maintain that there's absolutely no reason why a timeship can't just come back and "fix" the situation. In fact, it probably will. That doesn't mean that this timeline doesn't exist, though, because the new sequence of events have to be witnessed at least up to the point when somebody goes back to fix it. We're just getting a glimpse into an alternate timeline that can and will be fixed.

Like I said, that's just a form of rationalization to make the major changes in the timeline more palatable. Personally, I look forward to more stuff in the rebooted universe.

 

[Pingfah]

The First Contact question is one that perplexes me actually.

Can somebody smarter than me explain, if Kirk went back in time from the new timeline to the point of First Contact, a point in the timeline that is common to both realities, would he find Picard there battling the Borg?

 

[Islander]

I do not claim to be smarter than you, but if I understand quantum mechanics properly (who does?), all realities are possible. Kirk could see Picard fighting the Borg, and he could NOT see Picard fighting the Borg AT THE SAME TIME!!! Tylenol anyone?

 

[Ayelbourne]

I wouldn't mind if the temporal cold war-b#llsh#t was erased

In the Many-Worlds-Interpretation, the TCW would be absolutely pointless anyway. Just like Temporal Investigations and that stupid Time Police from VOY.
I mean...why try to preserve a timeline that cannot be changed?

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Maybe Nero is "Future Guy".

 

[Ovation]

Alot of people seem to think that TNG,Ds9 and Voyager would be the only shows that would be changed by Nero but wouldn't this alternate timeline also impact the Enterprise adventures as well in this universe. If the future is changed then that means the temporal cold war is changed and it also means the Xindi arc also is erased as well since they were working with people from the future. Also the events of "First Contact" might be different as well since Picard and his crew might not have been there. That doesn't even take in account Timsehips of the 29th century. If they have timeships then that means at some point time travel has become a more common everyday thing which means you could be dealing with numerous of alterations that we aren't even familiar with. That's what is funny with time travel in Trek. You can change the past in numerous ways by simply changing the future.

Anyways this is a good reason why the Kelvin and the Enterprise don't look like anything we have seen before in terms of technolgy and the uniforms are different. The new timeline was already created even before Nero got there, simply because Nero got there.

Jason

It's not that complex. Nero's accidental travel into the past created a DIVERGENT timeline--it has no effect upon the "prime timeline" at all. That one continues as before. The only way for the new, alternate timeline to have any influence upon the "prime one" would be for someone from the new somehow traveling to the "prime" and influencing events there.

 

[Trekwatcher]

It's not that complex. Nero's accidental travel into the past created a DIVERGENT timeline--it has no effect upon the "prime timeline" at all. That one continues as before. The only way for the new, alternate timeline to have any influence upon the "prime one" would be for someone from the new somehow traveling to the "prime" and influencing events there.

Seconded.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

Maybe Nero is "Future Guy".

I wondered the same thing. What if at the end, when the Enterprise blew up the narada in that singularity, he survived on a chunk, got sucked in, popped out somewhere else in the future, or he got 'stuck between time' or something, and now Nero's rage is at the whole of the Federation so he's trying to stop its formation as best he can.

Even though I'd rather no screen time EVER spent trying to justify that lameass series Enterprise, It actually *does* sort of fit.

 

[Jolantru]

The only thing that would change is Porthos is now trapped in a transwarp beam.

 

[Ayelbourne]

It's not that complex. Nero's accidental travel into the past created a DIVERGENT timeline--it has no effect upon the "prime timeline" at all. That one continues as before. The only way for the new, alternate timeline to have any influence upon the "prime one" would be for someone from the new somehow traveling to the "prime" and influencing events there.

Except that he or she would just create yet another divergent timeline.
The prime timeline can't be changed at all. You can create new ones, but you can't change any of them.

 

[Garth Rockett]

The events of Enterprise and First Contact should not be effected as I understand the quantum universes theory. Basically, every instance of time travel creates an alternate timeline, so all possibilities would exist simultaneously.

Still, even in the new timeline created in the new movie, I would assume that Picard and company were still present during First Contact in 2063. From the standpoint of the new timeline, they were simply from an alternate future. Besides, if the effects of Nero's incursion wiped out all of 24th Century history as previously seen, wouldn't that have prevented Spock from emerging into the past?

 

[Islander]

I wondered the same thing. What if at the end, when the Enterprise blew up the narada in that singularity, he survived on a chunk, got sucked in, popped out somewhere else in the future, or he got 'stuck between time' or something, and now Nero's rage is at the whole of the Federation so he's trying to stop its formation as best he can.

Here's another idea. Nero could actually helped CREATE the federation. Follow my lead, here: The Narada is destroyed and Nero espace through time but returns in Enterprise's season 4 episode "United", again trying to prevent the creation of the Federation but actually creating the first Human/Vulcan/Andorian/Tellerites alliance...

 

[Cheewiee]

So thinking of First Contact,

When the Borg go back in time, using the logic here, they didn't alter history, but rather created a New Timeline, and because the Enterprise was caught in the Temporal Wake of the Sphere, they were sucket into that alternate Timeline. Then Picard and Company created yet another new timeline when they followed the Sphere back through the Temporal Portal.

 

[Lt Cmdr Tyler]

For rationalizing the timeline issues, though, I maintain that there's absolutely no reason why a timeship can't just come back and "fix" the situation. In fact, it probably will.


Each time a time ship has appeared it was as a result of alterations being made that 'weren't meant to be'

Having said that it is my conclusion that this is exactly how it was meant to be.

Just like in the Enterprise ep that included the borg. It was a pre-temporal paradox caused by Picard and the ENT-E crew by going back to 2063 and stopping the Borg in the past... which ultimately wrote the fututre.

end transmission

 

[Ovation]

It's not that complex. Nero's accidental travel into the past created a DIVERGENT timeline--it has no effect upon the "prime timeline" at all. That one continues as before. The only way for the new, alternate timeline to have any influence upon the "prime one" would be for someone from the new somehow traveling to the "prime" and influencing events there.

Except that he or she would just create yet another divergent timeline.
The prime timeline can't be changed at all. You cank create new ones, but you can't change any of them.

This is the implication of most Star Trek time travel incidents (though not one most find comfortable). However, time travel in Trek has not been treated consistently (search for Trekguide.com's posts on the subject--quite well reasoned and comprehensive). IF some other method of time travel was employed, then perhaps the prime timeline could be altered--though, upon learning of Trekguide.com's reasoning, I've been persuaded that each form of time travel that is not a "pre-destination paradox" DOES create new timelines. In any event, my example was intended to convey that nothing that happens in the new timeline has an effect on the prime one.

So thinking of First Contact,

When the Borg go back in time, using the logic here, they didn't alter history, but rather created a New Timeline, and because the Enterprise was caught in the Temporal Wake of the Sphere, they were sucket into that alternate Timeline. Then Picard and Company created yet another new timeline when they followed the Sphere back through the Temporal Portal.

If picked apart rationally, this is the likeliest conclusion to draw.

 

[David cgc]

The First Contact question is one that perplexes me actually.

Can somebody smarter than me explain, if Kirk went back in time from the new timeline to the point of First Contact, a point in the timeline that is common to both realities, would he find Picard there battling the Borg?

Yep. The 21st century portions of First Contact are, in the nuTrek timeline, just another visit from an alternate future that'll never happen, like in "Firstborn," "A Matter of Time," or "Endgame."

 

[Tom]

Also there is the notion that the Defiant in the 'Tholoan Web' may have not happened and thus negating 'In a Mirror, Darkly'