which one is the "alien" and which one is the "complete human" then?
Would you say Picard is prime timeline or part of the Discoverse?
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That was explained already (here: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/wou...of-the-discoverse.304255/page-3#post-13383807).
To reiterate, Kras, Koloth, Korax, and the others in "Tribbles" looked completely human.
So humans cannot have "darkened skin"? Anyone with "darkened skin" is not "completely human"? Are you sure? I guess you don't mean it that way, but then it's not a valid difference and only the eyebrows remain
Design language is not linear.
True, but it's too odd to be the same thing. IMO!
I never said that anyone with darkened skin isn't completely human, so....So humans cannot have "darkened skin"? Anyone with "darkened skin" is not "completely human"? Are you sure? I guess you don't mean it that way, but then it's not a valid difference and only the eyebrows remain
Perhaps it would help you understand, if you thought in terms of how the makeup color compared to the actors' natural skin tones, and go from there. The "human look" is when they strongly resemble the actors (considering all aspects of the makeup). The "alien look" is when they don't (considering all aspects of the makeup).
Agree to disagree.
Humanity has a wide variety of designs. Klingons should be no different.
The quote several people referred to is:
So the skin tone and the eyebrows are what you see as differences between "completely human" and "alien" Klingons.
So skin tone is even more important as a difference in how "alien" Klingon design looks to you.
I found some human eyebrows to counter the remaining point with XD
https://i.redd.it/tcq09plprft01.jpg
This is utterly ridiculous.
The intent of the people making the show to use the makeup to convey "alien appearance"—when it was used—is satisfactorily documented, and I'm basing my statements regarding what constitutes the "alien look" vs "the human look" on what elements of makeup they respectively chose to use or not to use in the episodes in question, nothing more. I don't need to interpret it.
Also: I don't believe that you are fairly representing my statements, and my interest in this discussion is therefore rapidly waning.
Weren't the Klingons of TOS Soviet-analogues? Klingon might have been more of a political label than a specific species, much like how the Federation was akin to NATO. With the films, that might have changed with the transformation of Klingons into samurai/viking hybrids, so now Klingons are a species. Anybody know if that might have definitely been the case?
All it boils down to is the classic argument: Humans have various tones, Vulcans have them, Romulans have them - why wouldn't the Klingons have them. So the only difference that remains is eyebrow length.
Kras and Koloth look human. This was a departure from the previous look established by Kor. It's like they forgot what Klingons looked like. (And IIRC, they did!) In later episodes they got back to the Kor look as shown by Kang. Is it "major"? YMMV
Less major than the differences between the Trill of Next Generation and Deep Space Nine.
Not sure whats being said here.
interindividual differences in TOS = small (minor details)
interspecies differences = large (major design difference)
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