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Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forward?

Are you ok with change?

  • I don't mind this movie rebooting Star Trek, I'm ok with change

    Votes: 88 58.3%
  • I want strict continuity following this movie, no changes to the known ST universe

    Votes: 35 23.2%
  • I don't care either way, I am just going to watch the movie for entertainment

    Votes: 28 18.5%

  • Total voters
    151
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Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I don't mind a reboot as long as they keep the characters true to their original form...
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Since Trek pretty much ends with the 24th-Century, a reboot is kinda the only way to go for new adventures, IMO...
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

If you want to do something new, DO SOMETHING NEW. Give us a new universe.

But taking on the Trek universe, and doing a reboot, or rewhatever, is just lazy.

I wish there were more storytelling universes out there. Franchises often become stale... like Trek is at this moment. In order for Trek to overcome its staleness, I hope the new movie is a reboot.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

I chose 'I don't care either way, I am just going to watch the movie for entertainment.'

But as far as I'm concerned, reboot away! :techman:
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

What is a reboot in this context? I hate time travel, most of the time. But is a reboot like with a computer that needs a fresh start? Because ST could use that- a step back, a fresh approach, make sure the writing is good and appeals at least on some level to the majority of fans- though you can't please everyone... and that would be good. It would get the franchise going again, hopefully with more movies or series in the wings. But obviously something that makes the whole ST past as "it didn't happen" would just be sketchy.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Trek has to get back on TV. But I doubt that will happen.

The best chance Trek has to get back on TV right now is through the success of Trek XI in my opinion.

I've heard that that is true, as in what the Paramount people are saying. But really, they need to make good stuff so people will keep watching... its not our fault if we don't.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

What is a reboot in this context? I hate time travel, most of the time. But is a reboot like with a computer that needs a fresh start? Because ST could use that- a step back, a fresh approach, make sure the writing is good and appeals at least on some level to the majority of fans- though you can't please everyone... and that would be good. It would get the franchise going again, hopefully with more movies or series in the wings. But obviously something that makes the whole ST past as "it didn't happen" would just be sketchy.

Let's assume that old Spock goes back in time and somehow changes history, "wiping out" the previous timeline. It still happened. We were there. We watched it. So no harm done.

Besides, Trek has been full of alternate timelines, universes, and the like. This would just be par for the course.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

What is a reboot in this context? I hate time travel, most of the time. But is a reboot like with a computer that needs a fresh start? Because ST could use that- a step back, a fresh approach, make sure the writing is good and appeals at least on some level to the majority of fans- though you can't please everyone... and that would be good. It would get the franchise going again, hopefully with more movies or series in the wings. But obviously something that makes the whole ST past as "it didn't happen" would just be sketchy.

Let's assume that old Spock goes back in time and somehow changes history, "wiping out" the previous timeline. It still happened. We were there. We watched it. So no harm done.

Besides, Trek has been full of alternate timelines, universes, and the like. This would just be par for the course.
Why did they need to negate what came before ? Just to stroke some set designers ego ? Simple is always better. Less is more. This is in the wrong thread. The baby with the bathwater. If a tiny detail is wrong it must all be wrong.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

When I go to see a WW2 drama, I expect to see Germans (or Japanese), not Iraqis.
I want to see P51 Mustangs and Stukas, not F18 Hornets and MIGs.
I want to see M1s and Tommy guns, not M4 carbines.

If JJ does Trek, and changes everything, why bother even doing Trek in the first place?
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Continuing "Star Trek" as it currently exists is not only lazy, but irresponsible.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Hmm, I think that if it stays true to the spirit of TOS, ie, presenting an optimistic future and the characters we know and love with all their core personality traits intact, then it will be Star Trek. Everything that I've read from people who've seen the movie seems to suggest that it will be. The James Bond franchise is still going strong today after having periodically reinvented itself while keeping the core of what makes it work. Likewise Doctor Who has done the same with its central character, albeit within the same continuity.

And TREK could have too. Just because a show or movie franchise has the same "spirit" as STAR TREK doesn't mean it IS truly STAR TREK.

I'll make a point in a moment that may clarify what I mean.

We still have that Star Trek. It's still there in the form of five live-action TV series, one animated series and ten movies, all readily available on DVD and continuing to boldly go around and around in reruns, not to mention countless Tie-in novels and comic books. The men in suits can never take that away.

The point was we'd have no more of the original continuity. It'd be gone forever, shunted off into a "second class" status, the new continuity being given priority. As said, I like what we had. Why do we have to lose it? If a script is written carefully enough and sets designed carefully enough, we can have new "TOS" Trek, without violating existing continuity in any significant way. Look at the uniforms. Essentially no difference.

Look at the re-done set for that silly Kentucky Fried Chicken commercial. Not exactly the same, better looking consoles, displays, but unmistakeably the TOS bridge. The iMac bridge we've seen isn't it.

If JJ had used something like the KFC bridge, it would have been better. If you have to change anything, don't make the differences glaringly obvious.

Yet he did just that.

Maybe. (See below.)

What is "real" Star Trek anyway? If real Star Trek means a camp and colourful fictional universe in which there was a Eugenics War in the 1990s and women of the 23rd Century aren't allowed to command ships, then "real" Star Trek is beyond dated. As lovely as TOS is, it doesn't talk to anyone outside the fanbase anymore, and if it is to survive then it needs to shake off the "nerdy" stigma and get back in touch with the zeitgeist.

Women commanding ships? Hey, Number One was Pike's second, and she's canon. Obviously, there were female commanders, and some of them certainly went on to become ship captains. Janice Lester was a madwoman whose babblings shouldn't be taken as meaning ANYTHING.

In later Kirk-era Trek, we even SAW women as ship captains. Nah. That's not even a point worth mentioning.

As for the Eugenics Wars, you aren't aware that the whole Khan situation has been cleverly explained in the novels?

Besides, we've long known that STAR TREK's Earth isn't ours. It's obviously to be taken as a parallel universe. For example, even at the very time the episodes were aired, did Gary Seven appear at a government space launch facility and try to mess with the launch? Was there a near nuclear disaster that day?

No.

That's been true from the start.

We don't need yet another parallel universe to replace the one we already have.

Star Trek's history isn't "dated". It's just a bit different. Has been from the start.

You could argue that there isn't a need to go back to the beginning in order to do that, but to the public at large, Star Trek is Kirk and Spock, and this movie is going to get their attention whereas another new crew in the 25th Century or whatever just wouldn't.

I would NEVER argue that we should never revisit Kirk and Spock in the younger days. I think NEW VOYAGES/PHASE II is just plain great, and this movie, in general, is more of the same. I just wish I could look at it and say "That's the same as I remember".

A while back someone posted pictures they'd done, a redesign of the Enterprise. I saw it and couldn't note any differences. Others could. That's a GREAT redesign, when it looks so much like the original, it may take scrutiny to tell the difference. The new uniforms are essentially the same. If the bridge and tech had also been only slightly changed, I'd be tickled pink. It'd still obviously be "our" Trek.

What JJ seems to have done (and since we haven't seen it yet, there's no telling what the look of the bridge really means, so we have to say "seems") is needlessly fix what wasn't truly broken. He could have done updates without truly "violating".

I wish he had.

Personally, I think it's time for a reboot. It seems to me that this is a reboot, whether we like it or not. Adhering to canon does not preclude it from being a reboot in that whichever way you look at it, this is a new cast on newly designed sets bringing something new to the table. Having Nimoy on board doesn't necessarily mean that he's playing the Spock we knew either; while on the one hand having him in the movie serves as a nice metaphorical passing of the torch, since we, the audience, know him as the Spock of old, on the other hand maybe we've been looking at it from the wrong angle. Maybe Nimoy's playing an older version of Quinto's Spock as opposed to Quinto playing a younger version of Nimoy's.

A reboot means nothing from before is a given. The claim is still being made that this is part of the existing continuity.

That's not a reboot.

I'm willing to wait and see before saying it is or isn't, and I really think we'd all have to wait. As long as they're saying only the visual aspect has changed, seemingly meaning the stories themselves are still in place, then even then it's not truly a reboot.

A reboot totally ignores and denies the original.

Can we say for a certainty that's what's happening here? No. We've yet to see the film. If this film fails to make clear if it's a reboot or not, I SHALL BOYCOT IT!!! :p
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

^Yeah (by the way, i'm a different guy from the iamnotspock you quoted from. He's pro-reboot, I'm anti-reboot) , if purely the visuals have changed, and the story is intact, then its not really a reboot. I can deal with visual tweaks. If we can accept that the bridge design changed between virtually every TOS movie, and that Kruge's bridge changed between TSFS and TVH, we can accept that it changed between Trek XI and WNMHGB.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Why did they need to negate what came before ? Just to stroke some set designers ego ? Simple is always better. Less is more. This is in the wrong thread. The baby with the bathwater. If a tiny detail is wrong it must all be wrong.

Just remember one thing-

There have been "variables".

Spock's collar was larger than other people's at first (even on the blue shirt), then the same.

Hand phasers inexplicably changed colors. Phaser BEAMS inexplicably changed colors. All kinds of little things changed, seemingly with the attitude "It always looked this way. You just didn't notice."

If the equipment and ship, the interior of the bridge, if these things had changed no more than the uniforms, would you be bothered as much as you are now?

They could have made "little changes" that would have still left us in our comfort zone, having the feel that this is "our" TOS.

Agreed, they seem to have not done that, and that bothers me, but I still want to see the film and find out what it all means.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Obviously the TOS bridge.




No, it isn't.

Look at the video displays behind Uhura, on the vertical faces of the work stations. There were meaningless flashing lights there before. This is different. Sulu's, Chekov's, and Uhura's chairs are different too. Turbo lift area is slightly wider than before as well.

And yet, it's unmistakeably "our" bridge.

Does this truly look "dated"?

Would this type of update have hurt the movie, as opposed to what we've seen? (Again, before passing final judgement, let's wait and see, but this is a legit point.)
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Continuing "Star Trek" as it currently exists is not only lazy, but irresponsible.


Nah.

It's irresponsible to feel the existing TREK needs to be abandoned when a respectful, careful job being done is all that's necessary.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Obviously the TOS bridge.




No, it isn't.

Look at the video displays behind Uhura, on the vertical faces of the work stations. There were meaningless flashing lights there before. This is different. Sulu's, Chekov's, and Uhura's chairs are different too. Turbo lift area is slightly wider than before as well.

And yet, it's unmistakeably "our" bridge.

Does this truly look "dated"?

Would this type of update have hurt the movie, as opposed to what we've seen? (Again, before passing final judgement, let's wait and see, but this is a legit point.)

I know you're saying something, but I'm too distracted by the science chick in that photo. Stupid handrail in the way...
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Continuing "Star Trek" as it currently exists is not only lazy, but irresponsible.


Nah.

It's irresponsible to feel the existing TREK needs to be abandoned when a respectful, careful job being done is all that's necessary.
This is not Gene's universe anymore in it's details which the most important thing, it's J.J.'s now and he is plowing GR under and stealing his characters and glory the way everyone else has.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Lying and stealing ? There's no going back now. The original series can and will never be done again in its original way.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Blind rejection and blind outrage?

So no one can ever do Star Trek again?? Ever??

Doesn't seem right to me.
 
Re: Would you really care if Star Trek was rebooted anew from now forw

Blind rejection and blind outrage?

So no one can ever do Star Trek again?? Ever??

Doesn't seem right to me.
Design restraints were removed obviously because they couldn't tell a good story with them and probably without them.
 
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