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Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STAND?

Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STAND?

  • Yes, I would mind.

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • No, I wouldn't.

    Votes: 23 57.5%
  • I want to see Singer remake "X-Men: The Last Stand".

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • I want a total reboot of the franchise.

    Votes: 7 17.5%

  • Total voters
    40

JacksonArcher

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WARNING: This post, and consequently this thread, might contain major spoilers for this summer's X-Men: First Class. Please continue at your own discretion.

I've been hearing rumors, especially based on comments from both X-Men: First Class director Matthew Vaughn (source) and producer Bryan Singer (source), that the filmmakers intend to retcon or ignore certain plot elements from both X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Based on the story rumors that I've heard, Xavier gets crippled at the end of First Class. Now, as we all know, Xavier is shown walking in both the prologue to X-Men: The Last Stand and at the tail end of X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Since the story of First Class takes place in the 60's, it would definitively suggest that The Last Stand and Wolverine do not fit within continuity, since those films take place far later in history, probably around the 70's or 80's (at least during the prologue for The Last Stand) when Xavier is shown to be walking.

Also, another story rumor I've heard is that Xavier and Magneto have their falling out at the end of First Class, when at the beginning of The Last Stand it is revealed that Xavier and Magneto are still buddies. Also, Moira MacTaggert is a part of the film, and she's in her early 20's, and yet in The Last Stand she looks to be in her 30's or 40's. Going by the continuity of First Class, she should be in her 70's in The Last Stand. Similarly, when Mystique is cured in The Last Stand, she assumes the human form of someone in her 30's, but she's in her early 20's in First Class, meaning she would have to be in her 70's as well if we followed the continuity of First Class. Her mutant ability allows her to suppress her aging, but some argue that if continuity is meant to be kept, she should have become an old woman when she was cured. The reason this can be argued is because one could assume that the youth she sustains would remain even after being cured.

However, there has been discussion that producer Lauren Shuler-Donner (who has produced all of the X-Men movies) has an idea for a potential X-Men 4 that she's discussed with Bryan Singer, who seems interested (source). Further rumors seem to suggest that such an idea would retcon The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Also, Darren Aronosfky is simply "ignoring" the events of X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and has stated that his film, The Wolverine, will be a standalone film and not directly reference the events of the last film.

So, do you think there seems to be a conscious effort to dismiss or partly ignore the continuity established by X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and would you mind if filmmakers Matthew Vaughn, Bryan Singer and Darren Aronosfky ignored or retconned the events in those movies for their films?
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

I hated "X-Men: The Last Stand" so no I wouldn't mind if it were ignored or retconned. I should add that it kind of makes sense that Singer and the filmmakers ignored certain events and plots from movies they weren't involved with. If Fox is okay with this than I don't have any problem. I will be ecstatic if Singer decides and is able to direct X4.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

I didn't like any of the X-Men movies except for the first one that came out. Thats what happens when you read the comics before watching the movies.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

I'm thinking that X-Men, X-Men 2 and X-Men: First Class are all in the Singerverse and that the other two are not, especially as I've heard that Wolverine has a character who's meant to be Emma Frost. As for Aronofsky's film, all indications are that Jackman may be involved, so it's not clear just how "standalone" it'll be. I suppose that there's no barrier to him being killed off, but in all likelihood it'll be a case of taking it as being in the same universe if you want to.

I didn't like any of the X-Men movies except for the first one that came out. Thats what happens when you read the comics before watching the movies.
Not necessarily. I first read X-Men stories in the late seventies or early eighties, and thought that X-Men 2 was pretty darn good overall. X3 could have been great with a few adjustments.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

I didn't like any of the X-Men movies except for the first one that came out. Thats what happens when you read the comics before watching the movies.
Not necessarily. I first read X-Men stories in the late seventies or early eighties, and thought that X-Men 2 was pretty darn good overall. X3 could have been great with a few adjustments.

I wasn't a big X-Men fan before the movies, but I thought the second Bryan Singer film had the strongest story and acting...(and Kelly Hu was in it, IIRC, even though she didn't do much).

IMO, Matthew Vaughn has a good cinematic record, so I'm looking forward to his take on the characters.
 
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@Scrawny71 your take is how I am looking at the films. As for Jackman's involvement, I'm not sure what you are talking about. He will most likely be the Executive Producer and is starring in it. Aronfosky is planning on ignoring "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" as well as you stated. Not sure where you were going on Jackman though.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

As much as I hate reboots, X-Men is the one franchise that actually needs it. So naturally, it's the one they leave alone and keep making sequels and prequels *facepalm*
 
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I actually wouldn't mind if this retconned all of the movies. They weren't bad, in fact I loved the first one. It felt a lot like X-Men to me, whereas X2 felt like a Wolverine solo story with every other character in the supporting cast. But, I do believe that they are relics of the old way of comic book movie making. After Batman, Watchmen and the Iron Man movies the just feel archaic. I could really get into a full reboot.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

^^ Fox would seem to disagree with you. Wait another ten or fifteen years and someone else will reboot the franchise. Or if Marvel Studios somehow is able to get the rights to the X-Men movies then we'll see a reboot. For now I'm quite content with First Class and The Wolverine.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

So, do you think there seems to be a conscious effort to dismiss or partly ignore the continuity established by X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and would you mind if filmmakers Matthew Vaughn, Bryan Singer and Darren Aronosfky ignored or retconned the events in those movies for their films?

I would actually much prefer they remove from my memory X-Men: The Last Stand. Just rip it right out of my brain.

But, until that happens, ignoring it ok in my book.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

I think Singer is taking a page out of his own book and ignoring everything that came after X2. Which is completely fine with me.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

My attitude has always been that this movie, and potential new series, was better suited as a complete reboot to the entire X-Men series. Indeed, it's hard to justify tying movie-makers as talented as Singer and Vaughn to such pisspoor movies as X3 and Wolverine. So I have no problem voting 'No I wouldn't'
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

As much as I hate reboots, X-Men is the one franchise that actually needs it. So naturally, it's the one they leave alone and keep making sequels and prequels *facepalm*

I remember not too long ago when you said X4 should have happened instead of XFC, I'm sure you still stand by that point. I agree though, XFC should be a complete reboot\prequel or preboot of a whole new trilogy. But since X1 & X2 both happened under Singer's regime, I don't see any problems with him wanting to keep XFC within the confines of what he established.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

I think X3 should still happen. ;)
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

I'm not excited about this film at all. I don't know why they keep trying to overcomplicate or change thing. A Beast/Jean Grey/Cylcops/Angel/Iceman first class movie reboot would have been awesome.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

I'm all for it. There's very little about The Last Stand that I actually like (Kelsey Grammer as The Beast, Magneto's commentary about tattoos, the idea of mutants losing their power including Magneto) so I'm all for ignoring it. Getting the long deserved third Singer film would be amazing.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

@Scrawny71 your take is how I am looking at the films. As for Jackman's involvement, I'm not sure what you are talking about. He will most likely be the Executive Producer and is starring in it. Aronfosky is planning on ignoring "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" as well as you stated. Not sure where you were going on Jackman though.
Well, the fact that Jackman is due to reprise his role kind of supports the idea of it being consistent with the first two X-Men movies, that's all.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

Retcon it or keep it. I don't really care either way. I didn't hate X3 but didn't love it either.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

X3 was an atrocious movie, and I wish it would be erased from existence. That said, I don't really know what happened in it that would go against a movie set 40-50 years earlier.
 
Re: Would you mind if X-MEN: FIRST CLASS retconned X-MEN: THE LAST STA

X3 wasn't great, but it wouldn't make sense to ret-con one movie in a series out of existence. If we're targetting individual movies, I'd get rid of Wolverine first.
 
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