Would you like to see a cardassian episode?

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  1. Rhodan

    Rhodan Commander Red Shirt

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    Cardassians have been shown and mentioned in Enterprise but official contact hasn´t beeen made with them as far as we know. Don´t you think it would be good to see something along that? It could be interesting to show their society before millitary coup and it wouldn´t be so controversial ike Ferengi and Borg.
     
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  2. mythme

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    Cardassians weren't shown on Enterprise and the only mention of them was a fleeting one by the Organians who said they had already "obsevered" them in their tests.
     
  3. JiNX-01

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    Please, no.
    I preferred seeing the expansion of our knowledge about species that got very little attention in "future" Trek: the Andorians and the Tellarites were great choices.

    I didn't mind the Borg or Ferengi episodes (because there were only one of each) but I would really have hated to see Enterprise turned into nothing more than an inexplicable and totally unnecessary "exploration" of aliens from TNG, DS9 and VOY. It was bad enough that we were being pummeled by Klingons in the first two seasons (am I the only one who got sick to death of the Klingons by the end of DS9? They're bloodwine chugalugging warriors... we get it. It's a big galaxy. Can we have someone else now?)
     
  4. STIntergalactic

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    They were shown at least once. Hold on let me find the episode.

    Ah, yes...second season episode "Dead Stop"
     
  5. Rhodan

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    Yeah, cardie corpse...
     
  6. Nebusj

    Nebusj Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Thing is, a good part of what people were looking eagerly forward to Enterprise for was a break from the 24th Century Filler -- enough with the holodecks, enough with the spacetime anomalies, enough with the wacky fun clown DNA, enough with the Borg, enough with the Ferengi, enough with the Klingons. The Cardassians are yet another of those really thoroughly 24th Century species. You'd need a really solid idea for what to do with them to make them appealing again after seven solid years of that stuff over on Deep Space Nine and extra material on The Next Generation and Voyager.

    I don't know when Cardassian First Contact was canonically established (if in fact it was), but in the event that it was established to postdate Enterprise, then running such a ``sneak-peek'' first contact would demand a really brilliantly sharp reason for this not to be First Contact. The Borg they mostly got away with, although it required a stroke of luck which rang false to much of the audience. The Ferengi sneak-peek was insulting and target of deserved scorn. Would you want to take the risk that they come up with a reason for having only a sneak-peek that's credible to the needs of the story and believable to the audience?
     
  7. Red Ranger

    Red Ranger Admiral In Memoriam

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    Cardassians and Organians were in ENT? When? I missed both references. Can someone tell me when both happened?

    I believe that it certainly could have worked to have the Cardassians appear because, as far as I remember, it's never been established onscreen when the first contact between the Federation and the Cardassian Union took place. However, they got a lot of exposure in DSN, and what would've been the compelling reason to have them on ENT?

    Also, I personally believe the Federation didn't have contact with the Cardassians till the 24th century, around the time Picard was captain of the Stargazer. I also happen to think Betazed didn't become part of the Federation till the 24th century, but that's another topic.

    It worked to have the Andorians and, to a lesser extent, the Tellarites appear because we only had glimpses of them in all the other series and movies. So for all intents and purposes, they were largely unknown to the ST audience, making them ripe for exploration.

    Red Ranger
     
  8. Reanok

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    No I don't think Cardassians needed to be shown on Enterprise Tng and ds9 already had alot of stuff that dealt with them already.
     
  9. Rhodan

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    From what I´ve heard, Organians were making experiment on Enterprse crew by infecting them with virus and they told our heroes that they were already doing this stuff with Klingons and Cardassians (both of these reces killed infected ones).
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I would have liked to meet Iloja of Prim, but that'd be it.

    (He was a Cardassian poet living in exile on Vulcan at the time of ENT. Tobin Dax knew him.)
     
  11. Nerys Myk

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    Yep, if there was a Cardassian living on Vulcan in the 22nd Century then there was some awareness of them.
     
  12. Timo

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    ...Although since, at least AFAWK, the Obsidian Order did not manage to arrange for the swift and unexpected demise of the unpatriotic poet, we can surmise that Cardassians in turn were not particularly aware of Vulcans. :devil:

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  13. Nerys Myk

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    Isn't living on Vulcan a fate worse than death? :devil::cardie::vulcan:
     
  14. Mr. Fergy

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    No Cardies on Enterprise, Please! I love the race, but would have hated them on DS9.
     
  15. Takomaguy

    Takomaguy Captain Captain

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    EXACTLY! Look, the Federation/Star Fleet encountered other people as time went on. Leave evrything as it it. This the main thing I hatd about Enterprise anyway. That bastard Berman screwed up the TOS continuity. There was so much they could have done with Enterprise...
     
  16. INACTIVESamusAranX

    INACTIVESamusAranX Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    No, because chances are, they would have nearly destroyed the Enterprise, kidnap Archer, have their vessel scanned, and maybe take out another Earth vessel or two, and somehow no evidence survives and Archer never learns their name; not to mention the sensor logs are "accidentally" deleted. :rolleyes:
     
  17. galleywest

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    Only if you don't have sunblock. :p

    I'd have liked to see them in passing, but not as the focus of an episode. If there was knowledge of them, there's no reason they can't be shown, but as others have said, we saw enough of them in the 24th century.
     
  18. JiNX-01

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    Observer Effect. They kept jumping into different crew members' bodies.
     
  19. Nerys Myk

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    I must have missed those episodes
     
  20. cooleddie74

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    No thank you.

    I loved Cardassians, but they had no logical place in 22nd century canon and lore aside from a random mention from another race/species that had already encountered them("Observer Effect")at some point in the past. Earth is nowhere close to reaching Cardassian or Bajoran space at this stage with its slower ships so I'm not upset in the least none ever showed up. The Ferengi were pushing things as it was.