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Would you like looks, uniforms and such re-imagined?

I still think this is hilarious. Evidently, soon after ENT was cancelled, fans did a complete one-eighty. People used to jump way the hell down ENT's throat for even the slightest perceived violation of canon. Now, all of a sudden, nobody cares about canon anymore? :guffaw:
I'm sure many of the same people who were jumping down ENT's throat will be jumping down DSC's throat.
 
At the time ENT first aired, I really didn't mind the perceived canon violations, and I didn't mind that the show looked different than I expected. After all, I'm all about bucking convention, challenging preconceived ideas, and turning beloved notions completely on their side.

I just found that ENT bored me to tears week after week after week. :mad: And that is one of the worst things possible in entertainment. I dearly hope that DSC won't commit that heinous criminal act.

Kor
 
At the time ENT first aired, I really didn't mind the perceived canon violations, and I didn't mind that the show looked different than I expected. After all, I'm all about bucking convention, challenging preconceived ideas, and turning beloved notions completely on their side.

I just found that ENT bored me to tears week after week after week. :mad: And that is one of the worst things possible in entertainment. I dearly hope that DSC won't commit that heinous criminal act.

Kor

I can't really think of any boring ENT episodes other than the XIndi wars ones.
 
Besides, Babylon 5 look pretty crappy half of the time. Shows produced in the same years look a lot better. And still, people loved it!! Why? Good stories, not because of good uniforms.

What the…? I beg to differ. Babylon 5 had great stories, great costumes and state of the art SFX for its time. Exactly which TV shows that where produced in the same years looked a lot better? Earth 2? Space: Above and Beyond? Earth: Final Conflict?
 
I never watched B5 because I couldn't get past the CGI space scenes.

Kor
 
What the…? I beg to differ. Babylon 5 had great stories, great costumes and state of the art SFX for its time. Exactly which TV shows that where produced in the same years looked a lot better? Earth 2? Space: Above and Beyond? Earth: Final Conflict?
TNG and DS9. B5's space ship effects were crap.

As for great stories, well, it had some nice stories, but the main story about the Shadow stuff just fell completely flat.
 
B5 was, for the most part, a nice try but no great shakes. It's managed to hold on to a small, loyal, and ever-shrinking fan following.
 
I still think this is hilarious. Evidently, soon after ENT was cancelled, fans did a complete one-eighty. People used to jump way the hell down ENT's throat for even the slightest perceived violation of canon. Now, all of a sudden, nobody cares about canon anymore? :guffaw:
I wasn't disappointed in -ENT - for canon changes, but I did expect it to be a very different kind of STAR TREK. It wasn't. But I must confess that I did not like how Vulcans were portrayed. I could say that of DS9, as well. At the same time ... fans seem to be very forgiving of canon violations and willing to embrace change, if they perceive a cool factor's involved. The Klingons in TMP are a prime example. They're almost entirely revamped and fans are interested in it. When STAR TREK '09 proved that it could do the crew, the fans embraced it, for the most part. And though it was set in another timeline or alternate reality, fans who weren't into that speculated that the series might return to the 'prime' universe and, so, found themselves much more accepting than one might expect ...
 
What the…? I beg to differ. Babylon 5 had great stories, great costumes and state of the art SFX for its time. Exactly which TV shows that where produced in the same years looked a lot better? Earth 2? Space: Above and Beyond? Earth: Final Conflict?

The space scenes were very bad for the times realy. Both VOY and DS9 were already doing better cgi at the same time. Only during the later parts of season 3 and beyond did it get somewhat better. But that didn't bother me, since the stories were amazing!
 
My hope is for updated aesthetics (ships, uniforms, aliens, etc.) while keeping the general narrative of the original timeline intact.
 
IMHO, trashing B5s FX is revisionist history. Back then it was competitive in look and feel. You knew it was CGI but then it was the same with SeaQuest DSV or Sliders and all the other shows that were going CGI at the time.

Also, Ron Thornton was a much better modelmaker than whatever dimestore yoyo CBS got to build the Discovery from the teaser.

B5 had enormous bang for the buck at the time, rendering early on with a farm of Amigas. Certain sequences like the Battle of the Line were really impressive when you consider the constraints they were under. CBS will have no excuse for bad design or bad FX for its "jewel in the crown".

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IMHO, trashing B5s FX is revisionist history. Back then it was competitive in look and feel. You knew it was CGI but then it was the same with SeaQuest DSV or Sliders and all the other shows that were going CGI at the time.
Why are you comparing it to other shows that also had shit effects? Compare it to Star Trek produced at the same time (or even a bit earlier.) Star Trek looked far better. B5 does not just look bad compared to today's productions, it looked bad back them. I remember watching B5 when it originally aired and being shocked how bad the space scenes looked. I was used to TNG quality.
 
IMHO, trashing B5s FX is revisionist history. Back then it was competitive in look and feel. You knew it was CGI but then it was the same with SeaQuest DSV or Sliders and all the other shows that were going CGI at the time.

Also, Ron Thornton was a much better modelmaker than whatever dimestore yoyo CBS got to build the Discovery from the teaser.

B5 had enormous bang for the buck at the time, rendering early on with a farm of Amigas. Certain sequences like the Battle of the Line were really impressive when you consider the constraints they were under. CBS will have no excuse for bad design or bad FX for its "jewel in the crown".

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B5 VFX looked like video game cutscenes even back in the day they were done. JMS loved to tout how many ships they could get on the screen (always comparing to Star Trek too in his comments on stuff like that) ; but no they didn't look any better or worse then other shows that were using more CGI (in the 1990ies - Lightwave was used for a number of effects.) I didn't think they were particularly spectacular, but they worked for what B5 was.
 
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