Would you Join the Dominion?

[Tyjos Azari]

Well I'm getting into Season 6 and 7 of DS9.

Finished watching the episode where Cardassian Joined the Dominion.

I mean it looks like a good deal in all, you get to be part of something larger. You get a good defense package with Jem'hadar soldiers and your own forces to protect you. I mean as long as you don't have any dissidents among you it would actually be a good thing.

The Cardassians Joined out of Desperation I think since the Klingons beat the fish juice out of them and not to mention those pesky Maquis making them problems.

But I would consider Joining the Dominion, it'd be nice for sure. As long as you don't do anything to offend the Founders or the Jem'Hadar you should be fine just follow orders and you can live a nice stable life.

[I think though]

 

[Bacl]

Uh...no. Dominion is evil. Why would I want to be evil?

I wouldn't join the cylons either. Duh.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Not a good analogy! The Cylons were morons. They didn't even know what the frak they wanted. You don't commit genocide and then change your minds. Dolts!

Rest assured, when the Dominion commits genocide, we've got it all thought through.

 

[Tyjos Azari]

Exactly the Dominion doesn't decide to change it's mind when it's obliterated half a planet...might as well keep going.

Plus I rather like the Jem'hadar....very very professional and ordered soldiers....

In fact they're very efficient probably compared to other security forces.

 

[TerokNor]

If I´d be me, means having grown up without that indoctrinations the Cardassians got, I would have asked the Federation for help, if Id be in such a desperate situation like the Cardassians.
If I´d have grown up in the Cardassian society and would be desperate and conquestdriven, I might would have found it a logical idea to join the Dominion...but with unease still.

The Jem´hadar (and the Vorta) are effictive, yes, but I also pitty them.... no free will...how terrible..even one could discuss if there is someting like true free will anyway.

TerokNor

 

[Admiral Shran]

As long as you don't do anything to offend the Founders or the Jem'Hadar you should be fine just follow orders and you can live a nice stable life.

So, in other words, just do as you're told and we'll let you live.

That's exactly why I would want absolutely nothing to do with the Dominion.

As Benjamin Franklin said - "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither."

 

[Kai Winn]

So, in other words, just do as you're told and we'll let you live.

That's exactly why I would want absolutely nothing to do with the Dominion.

As Benjamin Franklin said - "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither."

there are lots more liberties than the right to choose your overlords. on this planet for example, the right to a childhood without religious indoctrination, or sexual freedom, or say the right to ditch your wife whenever you feel like it, and she can never ever harass you again. whatever. political liberties are quite unimportant, and pseudo liberties anyway.

 

[ProtoAvatar]

Well I'm getting into Season 6 and 7 of DS9.

Finished watching the episode where Cardassian Joined the Dominion.

I mean it looks like a good deal in all, you get to be part of something larger. You get a good defense package with Jem'hadar soldiers and your own forces to protect you. I mean as long as you don't have any dissidents among you it would actually be a good thing.

The Cardassians Joined out of Desperation I think since the Klingons beat the fish juice out of them and not to mention those pesky Maquis making them problems.

But I would consider Joining the Dominion, it'd be nice for sure. As long as you don't do anything to offend the Founders or the Jem'Hadar you should be fine just follow orders and you can live a nice stable life.

[I think though]

Joining the Dominion is 'a good thing' ONLY if you're into slavery.

The jem'hadar are there to protect you in the same sense that prison guards are there to protect the prisoners.

The jem'hadar are the overseers - if you don't follow the founder's orders like a good little slave, you pay for it; and the founders don't care at all for you or your well-being, their 'commands' are not there for your benefit, but theirs; watch DS9 until the end.

As long as you don't do anything to offend the Founders or the Jem'Hadar you should be fine just follow orders and you can live a nice stable life.

So, in other words, just do as you're told and we'll let you live.

That's exactly why I would want absolutely nothing to do with the Dominion.

As Benjamin Franklin said - "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither."

Well put.
I want to add one thing, though - doing as you're told doesn't guarantee you'll live and prosper. More often than not, the opposite is the case.

there are lots more liberties than the right to choose your overlords. on this planet for example, the right to a childhood without religious indoctrination, or sexual freedom, or say the right to ditch your wife whenever you feel like it, and she can never ever harass you again. whatever. political liberties are quite unimportant, and pseudo liberties anyway.

And these other liberties exists ONLY if your 'overlords' don't take them away - on a whim.

 

[Photon]

I'll pass, living on the wrong side of a bayonet is not the life for me and the family. Sorry, I'll take the Feds and all their liberal goofiness instead of a few Jems dropping in to pay their respects.

Well I'm getting into Season 6 and 7 of DS9.

Finished watching the episode where Cardassian Joined the Dominion.

I mean it looks like a good deal in all, you get to be part of something larger. You get a good defense package with Jem'hadar soldiers and your own forces to protect you. I mean as long as you don't have any dissidents among you it would actually be a good thing.

The Cardassians Joined out of Desperation I think since the Klingons beat the fish juice out of them and not to mention those pesky Maquis making them problems.

But I would consider Joining the Dominion, it'd be nice for sure. As long as you don't do anything to offend the Founders or the Jem'Hadar you should be fine just follow orders and you can live a nice stable life.

Nope, living on the other side of a bayonet is not a good life

[I think though]

 

[Tyjos Azari]

Eh still I always liked the Dominion,after all if you're on a small colony planet with no real ties to anyone or anything at least you'll have defense and as long as you can set your terms with the Vorta negotiators maybe a Non Aggression Pact would be better off instead of actually "Joining" The dominion.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The Jem´hadar (and the Vorta) are effictive, yes, but I also pitty them.... no free will...how terrible..even one could discuss if there is someting like true free will anyway.

If you're genetically engineered to lack free will, then you can't really say you've been deprived of anything.

Consider this: the Founders can be considered to be one entity, with one hive mind. The Jems and Vortas have never had free will. So to the people running and implementing the Dominion, free will simply doesn't seem important. Security is far more valuable. They probably don't comprehend why any rational species would give up security for this "free will" schitck they don't understand.

I'll pass, living on the wrong side of a bayonet is not the life for me and the family. Sorry, I'll take the Feds and all their liberal goofiness instead of a few Jems dropping in to pay their respects.

For a long time in the GQ, there were no liberal goofy Feds. It was either the Dominion or you're on your own. Who knows what goes on in the GQ? Maybe there's some analog to the Terran Empire that runs around attacking planets like so many space pirates. The Doms may seem like the best alternative out there.

 

[Tyjos Azari]

Everyone seems to look at this from the human standpoint.

I look at it from the alien standpoint.

Different Values of different species some species might prefer security over the liberties of freedom. Not to mention the confidence it would give your citizens and your own defense forces knowing that they are under the protection of the Dominion.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The Trek thing has always been to depict aliens as being basically funny forehead humans, with little variations (Klingons = humans but more aggressive; Vulcans = humans but more logical, etc).

But it gets interesting when they start to push out beyond the boundaries of human nature to depict truly inhuman characteristics in societies like the Dominion or the Borg. Then you have the dilemma of the Feds' philosophy that "everyone will become Fed in due time" running up against beings who can't evolve into nice little Feddies.

 

[Marie1]

I am the Dominion... buahahaha!!!

We're pretty awesome...

 

[ProtoAvatar]

Everyone seems to look at this from the human standpoint.

I look at it from the alien standpoint.

Different Values of different species some species might prefer security over the liberties of freedom. Not to mention the confidence it would give your citizens and your own defense forces knowing that they are under the protection of the Dominion.

Security? In the Dominion?
You are utterly expandable to the Founders. If they perceive even a slight advantage in killing you/letting you die, you ARE dead.

You don't seem to understand that the jem'hadar are not 'your' 'professional and ordered' soldiers, there to protect you. They are you masters, and they answer ONLY to the Founders.

 

[Tyjos Azari]

Then again this is only just a standard question...not a serious one.

But now that I'm seeing more of the Dominion I'd just rather sign an Non Agression Treaty with them and stick with that.

After all that is actually BETTER than actually Joining them.

-Been a good long while since I saw the later half of DS9 so I forgot how "Evil" the Dominion appears to be....

 

[indolover]

If I´d be me, means having grown up without that indoctrinations the Cardassians got, I would have asked the Federation for help, if Id be in such a desperate situation like the Cardassians.
If I´d have grown up in the Cardassian society and would be desperate and conquestdriven, I might would have found it a logical idea to join the Dominion...but with unease still.

The Jem´hadar (and the Vorta) are effictive, yes, but I also pitty them.... no free will...how terrible..even one could discuss if there is someting like true free will anyway.

TerokNor

the jem'hadar have free will. they make choices, and even can kill Vorta. the jem'hadar and Vorta are essentially slave species, but the Founders don't care.

 

[indolover]

I agree with another poster that liberty is a human ideal.

Cardassians are an interstellar fascist species. they're very being is based on loyalty to the state and obedience to the state. they couldn't give a rat's ass about freedom, as a human would see it. Since the Obsidian Order existed for hundreds of years, then what else can be gauged from them?

Cardassia had held off the Federation (which is arguably the most powerful Alpha Quadrant power) in a long border war, and had fell from grace. After the ass kicking from the Klingons, Dukat and co. were desperate.

 

[Lateralus]

If Dominion oversight wouldn't run counter to my relative autonomy, sure... why not?

The occasionally military fly-over to excite to kids, flirting with Vorta babes at the quarterly luncheons, lots of free government TV and radio programming... Could be quite fun.

 

[DevilEyes]

I agree with another poster that liberty is a human ideal.

Cardassians are an interstellar fascist species. they're very being is based on loyalty to the state and obedience to the state. they couldn't give a rat's ass about freedom, as a human would see it. Since the Obsidian Order existed for hundreds of years, then what else can be gauged from them?

Cardassia had held off the Federation (which is arguably the most powerful Alpha Quadrant power) in a long border war, and had fell from grace. After the ass kicking from the Klingons, Dukat and co. were desperate.

So what was up with those Cardassian dissidents, eh?

Then again this is only just a standard question...not a serious one.

But now that I'm seeing more of the Dominion I'd just rather sign an Non Agression Treaty with them and stick with that.

After all that is actually BETTER than actually Joining them.

-Been a good long while since I saw the later half of DS9 so I forgot how "Evil" the Dominion appears to be....

Then wait till you see the last few episodes of season 7, see if you still think the Dominion is not that evil.