Would you have stopped watching VOY if...
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I see it as she fought to make Janeway more responsable & to put the needs of others over her own.
That's the irony of "Endgame".
Doing so brought her home to an empty house.
I see it as she fought to make Janeway more responsable & to put the needs of others over her own.
But she was brainwashed so she could have used that as an excuse! Sigh.. would have been a lot more meaningful for the character than Fair Haven.
How old is Janeway on VOY? It occurred to me last night that while watching it that I had no idea!
Indeed. And it's not like relaunch did her any favors either
Kathryn's age on the show is debatable. Though, we can safely say she's in her late 30's/early 40's.
I like to think of her no younger than 37 in the first season of VOY.
I've been watching VOY a long time though and I notice that I tend to project her age forward as I get older myself, LOL.
I've been watching VOY a long time though and I notice that I tend to project her age forward as I get older myself, LOL.
While that does hold true,for me personally. I liked Janeway's old fashionedness(?).
No seriously, I liked that Janeway was the opposite of Kirk in that sense. She wasn't just going to give it up to just anybody because she was lonely, she was going to make you earn it. Janeway wanted to know your mind, the person you are before she was ready to be intimate. That's why she never fell for Kashyyk ruse in "Counterpoint" and she wasn't giving it up to Chakotay any more after finding out he was going behind her back, trying to bang her surrogate daughter. That's why J/C can't happen.
Much as I love J/C, I've never felt terribly off-put by the fact that Janeway ultimately never seemed to end up anything but alone (C/7 is still icky, though.) Her character seemed destined to have an unhappy love life:
If we count the books, her track record looks like this: Justin died in a crash, Mark gave her up for dead, Tom Paris was one fling she'd never want to think about again, Kashyk betrayed her, the holo-boyfriend was not real, her relationship with Jaffen was due to mind control, and Chakotay or anyone else on the ship she might have been remotely interested in was subordinate to her and she didn't want to risk the peace. Janeway is an "all or nothing" sort. She wouldn't half-ass a relationship, and so things would get very ugly if it failed out there in the DQ.
And, finally, in the original "Endgame" timeline, she's clearly alone that whole time, with those closest to her dead/dying/not there anymore. In the Pocket Books timeline, she gets with Chakotay once, makes a promise for the future, and then proceeds to die horribly.
Perhaps her character is a tragic one and not the sort to have a true happy end in any timeline. How many of the alternate timelines in the show ever showed her anything but dead ("Time and Again," "Before and After," "Shattered," "Timeless," "YOH," etc.)? Never once do we see any kind of Janeway with a relationship and a family.
If we count the books, her track record looks like this: Justin died in a crash, Mark gave her up for dead, Tom Paris was one fling she'd never want to think about again, Kashyk betrayed her, the holo-boyfriend was not real, her relationship with Jaffen was due to mind control, and Chakotay or anyone else on the ship she might have been remotely interested in was subordinate to her and she didn't want to risk the peace. Janeway is an "all or nothing" sort. She wouldn't half-ass a relationship, and so things would get very ugly if it failed out there in the DQ.
And, finally, in the original "Endgame" timeline, she's clearly alone that whole time, with those closest to her dead/dying/not there anymore. In the Pocket Books timeline, she gets with Chakotay once, makes a promise for the future, and then proceeds to die horribly.
Perhaps her character is a tragic one and not the sort to have a true happy end in any timeline. How many of the alternate timelines in the show ever showed her anything but dead ("Time and Again," "Before and After," "Shattered," "Timeless," "YOH," etc.)? Never once do we see any kind of Janeway with a relationship and a family.
It hurts me to think the Janeway we know is destined to die in some horrible fashion and be all alone until that point in time.
Well... I suppose if Janeway were to look at all this, she would say "To hell with destiny" and try to find a happy end somewhere anyway.
Well... I suppose if Janeway were to look at all this, she would say "To hell with destiny" and try to find a happy end somewhere anyway.
Yes... *nods adamantly to self* Yes, that's exactly what she would do.
Yes my personal rage at that, thankfully non-canonical outcome is still burning. What a piece of CRAP that was!! And to think they had her consummate her relationship with Chakotay for ONE NIGHT and then off she goes on a mission and DIES. The most heinous event in Treklit.
Sometimes when I'm watching VOY the reality of this comes to mind and I'm just infuriated. Though I absolutely cannot stand Peter David as an author and only read Full Circle because it was part of the Relaunch I don't blame him for this travesty. I assume he was given the assignment by TPTB who plan out Treklit. I wonder why they ever thought this was any kind of good idea.. oh wait.. so they could write reams and reams of Chakotay angst and fill up about SIX books with it. Well guess what NO ONE CARES about Chakotay angst now that the Shining Reason for that angst is GONE.
Sometimes when I'm watching VOY the reality of this comes to mind and I'm just infuriated. Though I absolutely cannot stand Peter David as an author and only read Full Circle because it was part of the Relaunch I don't blame him for this travesty. I assume he was given the assignment by TPTB who plan out Treklit. I wonder why they ever thought this was any kind of good idea.. oh wait.. so they could write reams and reams of Chakotay angst and fill up about SIX books with it. Well guess what NO ONE CARES about Chakotay angst now that the Shining Reason for that angst is GONE.
I had stopped watching by Workforce, does that count?
Actually, Workforce is about the time I started getting back into Voyager, because the local UPN station re-ran it in the middle of the night just after I got home from work. Sundays, I think. Nothing else on, not tired enough for bed.
Actually, Workforce is about the time I started getting back into Voyager, because the local UPN station re-ran it in the middle of the night just after I got home from work. Sundays, I think. Nothing else on, not tired enough for bed.
Well I think had there been a post sex scene in "Workforce" we would have been hearing another "writing" inconsistency" problem because of this piece of dialogue in the beginning of the episode.
Has anyone considered the possibility that Jaffen, who by this doesn't procreate like humans do, may have been incapable of actually having sex with Kathryn Janeway?
I personally find it totally unrealistic that she didn't have a relationship with someone and knowing most women, that would have probably have been a long going committed relationship and quite frankly there is no one but Chakotay that fits. It does help however that the characters have chemistry.
And one other thing just how long does a relationship last when one comes to realize that someone else loves you enough to come back through time and die for you. Neither Chakotay or Seven are stupid. I think Seven is immature for sure but that isn't stupid.
Brit
Has anyone considered the possibility that Jaffen, who by this doesn't procreate like humans do, may have been incapable of actually having sex with Kathryn Janeway?
I personally find it totally unrealistic that she didn't have a relationship with someone and knowing most women, that would have probably have been a long going committed relationship and quite frankly there is no one but Chakotay that fits. It does help however that the characters have chemistry.
And one other thing just how long does a relationship last when one comes to realize that someone else loves you enough to come back through time and die for you. Neither Chakotay or Seven are stupid. I think Seven is immature for sure but that isn't stupid.
Brit
I firmly stand by the fact that it wasn't Chakotay never "being the same" after losing his wife that pushed Captain Janeway over the edge and into following Admiral Janeway. It was the fact that Seven died.
It's one of the few times that I've been thankful for a difference between canon and non.
Just like Kirk.
Kirk managed to actually have a few romances before dying. Janeway may never even get that.
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