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Would you have preferred the conspiracy bugs (TNG s1) over the Dominion?

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So the series as far as we're away is over and I, like many others, felt extremely satisfied with how Picard Series 3 ended (noting there's always room for nitpicks!).

The one thing I was hoping for though (pushed along by my own speculation during the trailer phases and subsequent YouTube videos) was the reintroduction of the bugs from the TNG season 1 penultimate episode 'Conspiracy'.

I'm sure most people are across it, but in summary, following a meeting with a fellow captain and the strange behavior of high-ranking officers leads the crew to uncover a conspiracy of senior Starfleet officers possessed by parasitic aliens who are preparing to invade the United Federation of Planets. The crew expose the plot and destroy the invaders but only after they are able to send a message into unknown space.

Personally, I feel the Borg were a little overdone (mostly because we'd seen them in s1 and s2). While I really liked how the Borg arc was wrapped up I do feel that the conspiracy bugs from TNG season 1 could have really created a compelling and tense story with a cloak and dagger dynamic, in particular on issues around who could the crew trust.

There were a lot of parallels between the Dominion and Borg arcs with what we saw on Conspiracy and I wanted to know everyone's thoughts on:
a) do you think the conspiracy bugs could have been an exciting alternative for the primary villain?; or
b) do you think they could have been a good alternative for the Dominion who could have ultimately been serving the Borg?

For me (A) is compelling but notwithstanding my point above it doesn't convey that sense of 'iconic' foe. While (B) I think would have worked quite well because the conspiracy bugs already had issues with the Federation, their back story was undefined so there was a lot of room to build on new ground and wrap-up a fairly loose thread, and their objectives align significantly with the Borg. This also works given they were originally intended as the main villain before budget reasons led to the writers creating the Borg instead. For example, "the Borg Queen weak and dying from the destruction of the transwarp conduit entered into an agreement with [conspiracy bugs] to destroy / absorb / assimilate the Federation".

Overall, looking at the trailers and what we saw from the dominion in this season, I feel like the bugs really would have suited the season particularly as it matches the compelling parts of we saw in the show, ie the changing faces of forces young after Jack Crusher and that they were looking for "peaceful coexistence" much like the Borg's "order to chaos". It doesn't all fit perfectly (e.g. detecting in transporters), but I like the idea of it!

What are your thoughts?

Picture from Conspiracy just because!
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The Borg Queen and the Rogue Changelings have more reason to want revenge against the Federation. So, in story, I like who they had. And the Borg were TNG's ultimate Big Bad. So it actually fits that Picard ends with the Enterprise-D fighting the Borg, and the Borg Queen using something that ties back to Picard's time as a Locutus to get her revenge. Vadic, given her past, was more than willing to help.

The Bug Creatures would've been nice, but an ongoing history was developed with the Borg and the Dominion. It wouldn't have worked as well for TNG's final outing to have an enemy that wasn't already fully developed. This wasn't anyone's first Star Trek. It was a crew's final Star Trek. The enemy has to fit what they were going for.

TNG ends with Q, the TNG Movies end with the Romulans, and PIC ends with the Borg. All the main antagonists.
 
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I think the problem with featuring the Conspiracy bugs is they would have somehow needed to be "plus-ed" to be a season long villain. In the novels, their approach was to make the bugs the
Kurlan
offshoot of the
Trill
, genetically engineered for a different environment. They then develop their motivation from that experience. "Conspiracy" is just such an idiosyncratic episode that, while not being particularly good, it does stand out in the memory... especially for never having been followed up.

One thing that really struck me re-watching the season as the whole was just how baked in the Borg were from the beginning. It's only from expecting some kind of subversion that I disregarded all of the foreshadowing. At least this time it was a more personal take on the Borg, and a great way of bringing back why Picard could hear the Borg after BOBW.
 
Season three was a always ment to be a huge nostalgia fest. With all the throwbacks and nods and cameo's and whatnot. And I effing loved it!
Not just for TNG, but Star Trek as a whole. So it makes sense to revisit 'bad guys' that made a huge impression over the course of multiple seasons of various shows.

Would I have prefered something else? For originality sakes, yes. Did I have issues with what we got? Not at all.
 
Personally, I don't think the Changeling part of the plot really made much sense in the end so I'd definitely go for swapping them out. But if all else remains the same, I'm not sure the Conspiracy Parasites would have fared much better. Having a sub-villain whose goal wasn't just revenge would have been nice.
 
I would've preferred the parasites over the Changelings. They were more germane to TNG, and there was no need to bring the Dominion into it (even though it was neat that they weren't forgotten). I recall reading years ago that the parasites were supposed to be tied to the Borg anyway, and I think Picard Season 3 would've been a great place to make that happen.

I'm not so sure how I feel about making the parasites the main villains of the season though.
 
I would've preferred the parasites over the Changelings. They were more germane to TNG, and there was no need to bring the Dominion into it (even though it was neat that they weren't forgotten). I recall reading years ago that the parasites were supposed to be tied to the Borg anyway, and I think Picard Season 3 would've been a great place to make that happen.

I'm not so sure how I feel about making the parasites the main villains of the season though.
The parasites where the original idea for a new villain that really didn't negotiate. But the Practical and visual effects were considered too costly to do at the time as they wanted to continue to use them and they were planning on following up the signal sent in season 1 for a large continuing storyline in season 2; but then the 1988 writers strike hit - and at the time it ended they were just scrambling to get whatever stories they could filmed because they had been repeating season 1 episodes during the strike and wanted to get up and running as quick as possible afterwards.

In the end, ultimately, their concept was reworked into what we now know as The Borg.
 
The parasites would be cool but that's all they have to offer - being cool. I rolled my eyes when it was revealed to be the Borg behind it all, but really, they're the only villain that makes sense. This series is about Picard's emotional journey (coping with old age, family both past and present, and his personal traumas). The Borg provide the most of an emotional journey for Picard given his history with them.

We see him face his past atrocities as Locutus through Shaw, and nearly losing his son to the same fate of assimilation he went through thirty-odd years ago. It all culminates when Picard has to put that fear and his trauma with the Borg aside and rejoin the collective to save Jack. There is no other villain Picard has faced that would provide such an emotional journey for the character, again, as cool as the parasites would be to see.
 
The Bugs got their asses beat at the end of their first episode just by Picard and Riker! At the end of the episode that signal was telling them to lock the doors and crawl under the bed because the Federation is coming.
 
The parasites would be cool but that's all they have to offer - being cool. I rolled my eyes when it was revealed to be the Borg behind it all, but really, they're the only villain that makes sense. This series is about Picard's emotional journey (coping with old age, family both past and present, and his personal traumas). The Borg provide the most of an emotional journey for Picard given his history with them.

We see him face his past atrocities as Locutus through Shaw, and nearly losing his son to the same fate of assimilation he went through thirty-odd years ago. It all culminates when Picard has to put that fear and his trauma with the Borg aside and rejoin the collective to save Jack. There is no other villain Picard has faced that would provide such an emotional journey for the character, again, as cool as the parasites would be to see.

I actually liked it being the Borg because it made them scary again although the Changelings did get a bit short changed. I do agree with you about the Borg being the best option because they were the primary antagonists of TNG and had those connections you mentioned.

The Bugs got their asses beat at the end of their first episode just by Picard and Riker! At the end of the episode that signal was telling them to lock the doors and crawl under the bed because the Federation is coming.

Lol, maybe they could come back with bigger, more enhanced bugs. Some kind of genetic arms race.
 
I would have preferred the rogue Changelings all the way to the end of the season.

That would've worked just as well, save for the Changelings not really being connected to anyone on the cast save Worf. it was a bit of a stretch to see Changelings and Borg working together

I hope we get to see more of these Changelings in any continuations. Their story has more potential.
 
From what I've seen in interviews, they wanted something significant brought in from DS9, since TNG and Voyager are represented already.

Matalas said the Dominion War was such a monumental event, he wanted there to be after-effects of it by the 25th century.

The bugs are fun, but they're such a random one-off.
 
From what I've seen in interviews, they wanted something significant brought in from DS9, since TNG and Voyager are represented already.

Matalas said the Dominion War was such a monumental event, he wanted there to be after-effects of it by the 25th century.

The bugs are fun, but they're such a random one-off.

Honestly I've wanted to see the after effects of the Dominion war so I'm glad they at least considered that. That whole arc basically defined most of 90s trek in a way
 
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