Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?!

[Gaith]

Just a brainstorm to throw out there... I've never really seen any 24, but while the notion of a real-time action show obviously creates huge artistic limitations, the concept remains undeniably spiffy - imho. And I've always thought that if any movie or show could do a really cracking real-time story, it'd be Trek - between transporters and going from planet to planet within a solar system, the possibilities are endless, far more so than tooling around LA in a magical traffic-jam avoiding SUV.

So, what do you guys say? If you were running the new Trek, and someone suggested a real-time movie, would you be interested in reading a treatment/script, or dismiss the idea out of hand?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

UHURA: We've recieved a distress call from Alpha Centauri! It's a Klingon attack - four warbirds!

KIRK: Red alert! Sulu - set course and engage at maximum warp!

SULU: Aye, sir! E.T.A in 5 hours, 23 minutes.

(*lots of standing around*)

Space is way too big for this sort of thing. Even getting from one planet to another in-system should take a while at sub-warp speeds. It might work in a nuDS9 entirely set on a small-ish space station, but I think it cuts down the scope too much to work as a big budget movie.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

Considering it's just minutes to Vulcan which is 16 ly away according to Enterprise, Alpha Centauri would be so close you couldn't even enjoy a muffin and coffee before you were there.

Accoring to Scotty in TMP Vulcan was four days away from Earth. Obviously the NuEnterprise is much, much faster that Enterprise Prime.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

^You're assuming they start from Earth en route to Alphacent.

Enterprise Prime got from Earth to the centre of the galaxy in twenty minutes - I think they were stuck on "Sunday driver" mode in TMP .

 

[MvRojo]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

Considering it's just minutes to Vulcan which is 16 ly away according to Enterprise, Alpha Centauri would be so close you couldn't even enjoy a muffin and coffee before you were there.

Accoring to Scotty in TMP Vulcan was four days away from Earth. Obviously the NuEnterprise is much, much faster that Enterprise Prime.

I don't get why so many people can't figure out that time actually passed between the Enterprise jumping to warp and Chekov making his announcement. Bones had time to change and Kirk was sedated for some amount of time before waking up (unless he was sedated for 20 seconds, which would be stupid).

 

[kkozoriz1]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

Just how long does it take to change your shirt? And why would McCoy knock Kirk out for an extended period of time? The trip to Vulcan took no more that a couple of hours maximum.
Chekov's announcement was just minutres before arrival so there's no time to be gained there.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

I don't get why so many people can't figure out that time actually passed between the Enterprise jumping to warp and Chekov making his announcement. Bones had time to change and Kirk was sedated for some amount of time before waking up (unless he was sedated for 20 seconds, which would be stupid).

If you time all of the scenes and take into account the cuts between scenes and the change of clothing on Kirk, in order to believe it only took less than 8 minutes to reach Vulcan from Earth Spacedock, one would also have to believe that it took less than 1:58 for Kirk to change his clothes and for McCoy to get him to sickbay. There's no problem with them getting to sickbay in two minutes or less, but I don't think Kirk could have changed clothes that quickly.

One must also take into account the cut scene after Kirk finds Uhura, where we see the Narada, the drilling platform, Spock's mother observing the drilling platform, and Ayel reporting to Nero that Federation ships are on their way.

If we take these scenes as real time, also taking into account the 45 seconds between the fleet going to warp and the Enterprise going to warp, the entire fleet minus Enterprise should have already been there. Additionally, at that point, the Enterprise should arrive 45 seconds later, though in the movie it's another two minutes.

The cut scene with Nero, Spock's Mother, the drill, the Narada, and Ayel's report on Federation ships on their way is clearly a non-contiguous scene and the only place it could have occurred is during the imperceptible gap between the Enterprise going to warp and Kirk/McCoy arriving in sickbay, even though it's shown in the movie after Kirk finds Uhura.

This is clearly not to be taken as real time, even though the scenes are almost seamless and have the same pace.

Much time passed between Enterprise going to Warp and Kirk/McCoy arriving in sickbay. There's also no reason to sedate someone for one minute.

It took longer to get to Chekov's ETA than we saw on screen.

 

[MvRojo]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

Just how long does it take to change your shirt? And why would McCoy knock Kirk out for an extended period of time? The trip to Vulcan took no more that a couple of hours maximum.
Chekov's announcement was just minutres before arrival so there's no time to be gained there.

McCoy: "Well, those symptoms won't last long. I'm going to give you a mild sedative."

So obviously it was so he could sleep through the symptoms. In any case, I was responding to your "minutes" comment.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

Just how long does it take to change your shirt? And why would McCoy knock Kirk out for an extended period of time? The trip to Vulcan took no more that a couple of hours maximum.
Chekov's announcement was just minutres before arrival so there's no time to be gained there.

McCoy: "Well, those symptoms won't last long. I'm going to give you a mild sedative."

So obviously it was so he could sleep through the symptoms. In any case, I was responding to your "minutes" comment.

So, 45 minutes to an hour sound about right?
Vulcan's about 16 light years away so let's say Earth to Alpha Centauri would be 12-15 minutes max.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

If you time all of the scenes and take into account the cuts between scenes and the change of clothing on Kirk, in order to believe it only took less than 8 minutes to reach Vulcan from Earth Spacedock, one would also have to believe that it took less than 1:58 for Kirk to change his clothes and for McCoy to get him to sickbay. There's no problem with them getting to sickbay in two minutes or less, but I don't think Kirk could have changed clothes that quickly.

One must also take into account the cut scene after Kirk finds Uhura, where we see the Narada, the drilling platform, Spock's mother observing the drilling platform, and Ayel reporting to Nero that Federation ships are on their way.

If we take these scenes as real time, also taking into account the 45 seconds between the fleet going to warp and the Enterprise going to warp, the entire fleet minus Enterprise should have already been there. Additionally, at that point, the Enterprise should arrive 45 seconds later, though in the movie it's another two minutes.

The cut scene with Nero, Spock's Mother, the drill, the Narada, and Ayel's report on Federation ships on their way is clearly a non-contiguous scene and the only place it could have occurred is during the imperceptible gap between the Enterprise going to warp and Kirk/McCoy arriving in sickbay, even though it's shown in the movie after Kirk finds Uhura.

The distress call from Vulcan indicated that the seismic disturbances had already started. i.e. - The drill was already active. Amanda noticed the drill beam, stood up and walked to the edge of the balcony. Obviously, this is shown out of order of the rest of the scenes unless Nero was drilling multiple holes in different locations for some reason.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

Accoring to Scotty in TMP Vulcan was four days away from Earth.

Technically, Scotty only said "We can have you back on Vulcan in four days, Mr. Spock." He didn't specifically say that's how long it would take to get there. There could have been other factors.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

What, they were going to stop for an oil change on the way? The freeway was crowded with holiday traffic? He said they could be at Vulcan in four days. Spock declined. The Enterprise went to warp. "Thataway" IIRC.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: The Missing Line of Dialog that Destroyed Star Trek XI

Dude, TMP is probably the slowest warp speed has ever been depicted this side of Voyager. The NX-01 reached Rigel and then Kronos in a matter of days at warp 5. There's some line from Spock in TOS where he says something like they'll cover 1,000 light-years or so in an hour at warp 2. TOS/TAS and the movies got to the rim of the galaxy in "Where No Man..." and the centre in both "Magicks of Megas Tu" and STV. In Deep Space Nine, Earth, Romulus, Ferenginar, Cardassia and every other world in the Alpha and Beta quadrants is only a few hours away by runabout. You know all this.

 

[Harvey]

Re: The Missing Line of Dialog that Destroyed Star Trek XI

It would make an interesting conceit for an episode of a Star Trek television series, but as the conceit for a big-budget movie...why limit yourself that way? Star Trek 12 will certainly have a massive budget, possibly as big as the franchise has ever seen...so why limit the scope of what you can show within two hours of real time?

 

[George]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

I wouldn't be interested in seeing any more JJ Trek movies, period.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

I would much rather see a cop show like "Law & Order" or a crime investigation show like "CSI", except set in the Star Trek universe using Trek Universe technology to investigate crimes, and Federation, Klingon, or Cardassian legal and investigation people/cops/etc.

Not a joke.

 

[Sector 7]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

I voted:

No, no, no, never, no-how.

 

[George]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

I would much rather see a cop show like "Law & Order" or a crime investigation show like "CSI", except set in the Star Trek universe using Trek Universe technology to investigate crimes, and Federation, Klingon, or Cardassian legal and investigation people/cops/etc.

Not a joke.

A Star Trek crime investigation series, I've thought of that before too. It would certainly be interesting.

 

[Avon]

Re: Would you be interested in seeing a JJ Trek movie... in real-time?

only if bill maher plays a stoned admiral

 

[Gaith]

Re: The Missing Line of Dialog that Destroyed Star Trek XI

It would make an interesting conceit for an episode of a Star Trek television series, but as the conceit for a big-budget movie...why limit yourself that way? Star Trek 12 will certainly have a massive budget, possibly as big as the franchise has ever seen...so why limit the scope of what you can show within two hours of real time?

In a real-time Trek story, one could bounce from city to city, continent to continent, orbital space station to inhabited moon and other starships in a matter of minutes... and for the grand finale, one could make a fifteen-or-so minute journey to a planet on the other side of the solar system. The real-life Earth has a much greater visual variety than any Trek movie has shown, and that's just one planet, with a pretty drab moon! So I'm afraid I must contest your premise that sticking to one solar system would seriously limit the visual possibilities.