Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniskirt?

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Aside from never having understood the whole miniskirt fixation, I don't see what her wearing one would have added to the show. Or the other female characters wearing "more feminine" clothing for that matter. There's quite enough eye candy as it, if you want more there's a thing known as "adult entertainment" with all the appropriate depth to go with it

No but really, people blame Jeri Ryan for being simply a hook to get horny teenagers to watch the show, yet at the same time the rest of the cast should be wearing more sexy clothing... what?

The question tonight isn't "would it be better" if her uniform included a miniskirt but "would it detract" if her uniform involved a miniskirt.

Basically I'm wondering if we're prudes, because if she, or the rest of her crew are written the same then it doesn't matter what they wear, which Seven proved at least once when she was stripped naked by Q and continued on with her chores.

But then I could ask if the Starfleet uniform would still look professional if the word "juicy" was stamped across the ass end.

 

[tvih]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Well, to me it probably would have detracted. For one because most of the main female characters seem like the type that wouldn't go prancing around in a miniskirt. And a miniskirt, rather than a skirt... well, let's just say that to me it would make it harder to take a command authority seriously if they were in skimpy outfits. Not to mention miniskirts aren't exactly practical regardless of any precedents of them being worn in earlier series.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I don't think an actual miniskirt would have worked at all, but I could see something with a conserative (perhaps knee-length) A-line skirt as being an optional variant Janeway and other female personnel would wear on occasion.

 

[kimc]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Well to be fair if they put the gals in a miniskirt then the guys should be in shirtless uniforms.

Seriously, they were too busy messing around with Mulgrew's hair to have time to consider minis.

 

[Shazam!]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

let's just say that to me it would make it harder to take a command authority seriously.

As if anyone took Janeway seriously.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I don't think an actual miniskirt would have worked at all, but I could see something with a conserative (perhaps knee-length) A-line skirt as being an optional variant Janeway and other female personnel would wear on occasion.

Oddly that's called a midi-skirt and I never had a problem wih Katheine Bell or ay other female cast of JAG, or women actually in the rl armed forces.

Mirror universe Kirk wore a vest.

Are Tholians naked?

Tholian silk?

Some one on DS9 claimed to have sheets made from Tholian silk, but does it actually come out of a Tholians backside?

 

[tvih]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Oddly that's called a midi-skirt and I never had a problem wih Katheine Bell or ay other female cast of JAG, or women actually in the rl armed forces.

Obviously not everyone would have a problem with it. That's called diversity. I didn't really have a problem with Bell in JAG either. But the situations aren't fully comparable. For the most part, Bell wasn't in a position where she might be thrown into a combat situation - either ship to ship or even getting boarded or engaged in a ground mission - at a moment's notice. In the case of Voyager however, that's a very real chance.

Now, I'll grant you that obviously this doesn't apply to the entire Starfleet, since it has its "safe" postings just like real military organizations do. A miniskirt isn't all that practical for many roles in the ship either - crawl in jeffries tubes in one for one - but even in those that it is, I don't see it as adding anything either. It could even be said that miniskirts are only designed and worn for attracting male attention, something that has no place in a member of a military organization while on duty. Vanity over function... just no.

Maybe I'm just weird in that as I stated in my earlier post, I never quite understood what's so great about miniskirts to begin with. Were I female, I certainly wouldn't wear one

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I think we can't overlook the possibility that fashions and standards do change over time--and that Starfleet uniforms are not immune to this. What might be considered appropriate attire in one era may not be considered so in another. If one was really to look at the history of Starfleet uniforms, there seemed to be only one very brief period in which miniskirts were mandatory for female personnel--and that may have reflected a short time in which modesty wasn't a big issue in Federation society (they wore shorts/hot pants under those skirts anyway). Otherwise, the skirts in the TWOK and first-season TNG uniforms were treated as optional attire generally worn by women who wanted to wear them.

 

[Withers]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

If I had seen the Captain in a mini-skirt it would've played out like "What's next? Mentions of menstruation? Complaints about the glass ceiling in Starfleet?" It would have seemed like a gimmick to bring attention to the fact that she was a woman... and I didn't need that. I understood she was a woman without 'bells and whistles' to make the fact any more apparent than it already was. That she defined herself as a Starfleet Captain who happened to be a woman rather than a woman who happened to be a Starfleet Captain was an important task and she accomplished it (regardless of the other aspects of her character that left something to be desired.)

That's not to mention the fact that Kathy was a 'hands-on' Captain. She was constantly rolling around, fighting people, crawling, ducking and dodging stuff. She's not Sailor Moon so the idea of her being that Captain in a skirt... just doesn't play for me.

-Withers-​

 

[Jetfire]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Why aren't there any photomanips of Janeway in a miniskirt yet?

This.

Yes, I think Janeway could have worked it out.

I wonder if all the women on a starship wore cat-suits like 7 Of 9???



Of course they would all have to have bodies like Jeri Ryan.

 

[Noss]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

that seems to carry the hidden assumption that we didnt accept Kathryn as a woman. If she had worn mini skirts we would have had criticism that she was too flirty or a sexxed up bimbo

 

[Shazam!]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

If she had worn mini skirts we would have had criticism that she was too flirty or a sexxed up bimbo

Better that than the criticism she did receive.

 

[Noss]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

well you cant call her boring

 

[kimc]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

If she had worn mini skirts we would have had criticism that she was too flirty or a sexxed up bimbo

Better that than the criticism she did receive.

How so?

 

[Noss]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

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that is the cue for DS9 trolls. wow this BBS has changed since when Voyager was still in production. You couldnt post without someone invading your thread and trashing voyager, the series, the writers, Berman and Braga, or Janeway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

So you're an Ensign? Really.

Yes we can call them/her boring. It's like Donna Reed land half the time, and Voyager for the most time was about as hard edged as the original lost in Space, but I like Donna Reed and the original Lost and Space. Voyager is a mellow show that has no capability to test the limits of my awe.

The humour, I do often appreciate.

 

[Tiberius]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I think the best uniform for women was the one Uhura wore in Star Trek 6. It was feminine but not meant to be a perv fest.

Can someone do a photoshop of Janeway's uniform to make it look like that?

 

[Shazam!]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

If she had worn mini skirts we would have had criticism that she was too flirty or a sexxed up bimbo

Better that than the criticism she did receive.

How so?

Because it would have been sexy criticism.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

The paraphrase a cliche:

This thread is useless without well-photoshopped pics....!

 

[Jetfire]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

It isn't the same as a TOS uniform miniskirt...but she still looks commanding.