Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniskirt?

[Captain Rob]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Well in the orginal series they all wore mini skirts. I personally dont think the clothes make the person, but then Im not a hip and trendy person.

I think paramount needs to move away from the sex thing. I know they wanted to snare the 20-30 year old males, but I bet women are catching up watching the shows.

If the women had to wear minis then the men should be in shorts.

Maybe in the next reboot, Star Fleet will be based on the Royal Navy. Gotta love those white shorts.

 

[Saxman1]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Mulgrew has great legs! I'd loved to have seen them on Voyager! Oink!

 

[Itachi]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

...men

 

[Ensign Johnson]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I thought the mini skirts in TOS were silly. It isn't very professional to wear something that would show your arse if you bent over (unless you're a stripper etc). Janeway would look good in a mini skirt but I think she looks good in trousers too.

I think Voyager has the most attractive women of all the star treks (but that's just my opinion I like Janeway's husky voice too).

 

[sonak]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

why does every issue with Janeway have to be gender-fied? Is that a word? Not really.
I read criticisms of "sexism" when someone doesn't like Janeway. Which is stupid, because Kira was a strong and popular character, and a first officer. I just think Janeway was a bad captain, but there's no need to bring gender issues into it unless there's a reason.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Genderfied is more polite than gynostamped.

Engendered might have been what you were going for however, which would only be a new definition for a word which already meant to kill some one or make babies.

The question, lovely typos from the idiotfuck who started this thread, was really "are we unengendered enough to not consider qynostamping backward, patronising and devaluing"?

Good god, it's so cold I can see my breath!

 

[froot]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

why does every issue with Janeway have to be gender-fied? Is that a word? Not really.
I read criticisms of "sexism" when someone doesn't like Janeway. Which is stupid, because Kira was a strong and popular character, and a first officer. I just think Janeway was a bad captain, but there's no need to bring gender issues into it unless there's a reason.

I've never thought anyone hating Janeway was sexist. I'm sure that might motivate some folks, but I'm sure there's plenty more who just plain old don't like her personality and choices. My mother, a military woman herself, can't stand her. :P If you're referring to the "refrigerator" topic, I suggest you read that thread more carefully.

 

[Admiral2]

Re: Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniski

I mean considering the baited hook for Voyager was "look a girl is in charge, how empowering!" They really did their best to make Kathy out to be a guy, completely headstrong with very little tact or conspiracy, and could they keep her knees Victorianly covered up any more absolutely?

TPTB didn't make her look like a man. Kate Mulgrew's genetics did that. No boobs, no butt, midget size, stern face, mousy voice. That's what she brought to the party. TPTB just put a Starfleet jumper on the package and gave her scripts.

 

[froot]

Re: Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniski

I mean considering the baited hook for Voyager was "look a girl is in charge, how empowering!" They really did their best to make Kathy out to be a guy, completely headstrong with very little tact or conspiracy, and could they keep her knees Victorianly covered up any more absolutely?

TPTB didn't make her look like a man. Kate Mulgrew's genetics did that. No boobs, no butt, midget size, stern face, mousy voice. That's what she brought to the party. TPTB just put a Starfleet jumper on the package and gave her scripts.

So, wait, a lady has to be a young, hot sex machine dressed in a miniskirt to be taken seriously? If she's a stern older lady in pants, she's a man? She's not worth watching if she has no boobs? Are you people for real?

They wanted her to be a captain who happened to be female. They wisely saw no reason to play it up. I never realized being "empowered" meant a lady had to be sexy. Can't a lady be "empowered" in a regular Starfleet uniform?

Yeah, see, this is where sexism comes in. Posts like this right here are exactly what is wrong.

 

[Ensign Johnson]

Re: Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniski

TPTB didn't make her look like a man. Kate Mulgrew's genetics did that. No boobs, no butt, midget size, stern face, mousy voice. That's what she brought to the party. TPTB just put a Starfleet jumper on the package and gave her scripts.

Janeway doesn't look like a man and she only looks short compared to Seven.

Janeway is sexy without needing to wear a mini skirt or a catsuit.

 

[Zameaze]

Re: Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniski

TPTB didn't make her look like a man. Kate Mulgrew's genetics did that. No boobs, no butt, midget size, stern face, mousy voice. That's what she brought to the party. TPTB just put a Starfleet jumper on the package and gave her scripts.

Janeway doesn't look like a man and she only looks short compared to Seven.

You're not doing your cause any good putting the picture in our minds of Janeway standing next to Seven: When she stood next to Seven, Janeway looked like an old man in second hand maternity clothes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

That was Kates personality propelled by the directors/writers, deciding to create a mother/daughter mentoring relationship, implying a generation gap with Seven, a fully grown woman barely less than a decade younger than the captain.

Janeway wasn't old enough to be Sevens mother unless Seven was as relatively retarded as she should have been if Anika would still have been a seven year old little girl trapped in a 27 seven year old woman's body, but MOST of the time that didn't seem to be the case even though Janeway still maintained this infinitely superior attitude against a woman who Harry described as the smartest human being who had ever lived.

kathy tried to be a mother to Kes too. Kess was maturing a hundred times faster than Janeway who would have thought that she didn't have anywhere left to mature towards despite meeting Admiral Janeway. Which means in the reverse of what I said before about the other blonde hottie, that this time it's like a retarded person who has a baby of average intelligence who quickly out paces their parent sometime after their 6th birthday and leaves them behind after that wondering why the person who almost taught them to tie their shoes seems so small now.

If Janeway wanted to be a mother so much why didn't she consent to the Indian on the resolution planet, or that trite gagging Q and then that baby would make her look like a mother and make her look like the age we expect a mother of a new born to be which is in itself also a stereotype... Gail Simone the originator of that Refrigerator theory, one of her characters in her current comic book wittingly castrated himself to maximise his superopwers of "flexibility" (you really don't want to know.) and just a few issues ago "he" said "Even being a slave to your genitals is nothing less than being a slave." So really what proof did we have that she was interesting in validating her biology if she wouldn't court or be courted or consider having a baby of her own so that she wouldn't have to keep inflicting proxynatal status on her favourite crewman... Is that why she didn't want to promote Harry? She was infantalizing the lad who she never wanted to see him grow up escape her tit and leave him? But yes, I should digress, Janeway was NOT a slave to her junk. Good for her. very practical. If on the inside she is gender neutral, then what does it matter what she wears on the outside?

Claudia Chritan's Starhyke came to DVD recently. The female crew wore dresses. It made no impact whatsoever than that that was the uniform they wore in the service of killing for Earth. Dresses however might be a generous description of their attire, it was more like enlarged loinclothes partially adjoined to matching butflaps considering the Spanishesque slits going up the side of these things reached almost to their hips... But then as the story continued, Claudia's Captain "Belinda Blowhard" did eventually have sex with her first officer, a lad possibly half her age... Which makes me wonder about Rhoma Mitra and Young on next seasons Stargate Universe... Universe has Maquis now, but it more so felt like the people from the tail section's surprise arrival in the second season of Lost, but really there's nothing on Voyager these people won't plagiarise, though I think the handling of TJ has been a hell of a lot better than Sam or B'Elanna.

 

[froot]

Re: Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniski

TPTB didn't make her look like a man. Kate Mulgrew's genetics did that. No boobs, no butt, midget size, stern face, mousy voice. That's what she brought to the party. TPTB just put a Starfleet jumper on the package and gave her scripts.

Janeway doesn't look like a man and she only looks short compared to Seven.

You're not doing your cause any good putting the picture in our minds of Janeway standing next to Seven: When she stood next to Seven, Janeway looked like an old man in second hand maternity clothes.

Again, I would disagree - but I would also ask: why should that even matter? Bujold, the original pick, was a little older still, and also not extremely curvy (I thought she was pretty foxy in Earthquake though ) They were clearly hoping the audience would be mature enough to accept the captain without pandering to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I was thinking that they were hoping their audience was so young that it couldn't tell the difference between 25 and 35.

 

[SRFX]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I find Mulgrew a woman of mature beauty, strength and authority - all of which are admirable qualities that often find their way into Janeway. I'm happy with Mulgrew's portrayal of Janeway.

I take great issues with the decisions, statements and opinions she was given by the writers and subsequently dished out to viewers over those 7 years.

As for a miniskirt? Either everyone has skirt option (men included) or no one.

The trouser uniforms just seem functional though, given the amount of hazardous equipment on board.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Considering that in TNG season one that, despite Deanna's dress like inhuman wardrobe, that we only saw men in miniskirts, that it's all together possible that the miniskirt is now just for men and that for a woman to wear a miniskirt in the 24th century is bordering between odd behaviour to transvestism... Would we have accept an openly transvestite Captain?

I giggle every time I notice Teal'c is wearing blue eyeshadow in the early days of Stargate SG1.

 

[froot]

Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I find Mulgrew a woman of mature beauty, strength and authority - all of which are admirable qualities that often find their way into Janeway. I'm happy with Mulgrew's portrayal of Janeway.

I take great issues with the decisions, statements and opinions she was given by the writers and subsequently dished out to viewers over those 7 years.

As for a miniskirt? Either everyone has skirt option (men included) or no one.

The trouser uniforms just seem functional though, given the amount of hazardous equipment on board.

See, this is entirely fair. I think most folks do love or hate the character simply on the basis of her writing, but there are clearly some who do not, and that's what's infuriating.

I'm with you on "all-or-none" with the miniskirts. Today's military personnel (male or female) do not take care of day-to-day work or combat in skirts. I doubt this would realistically change in the future. Full dress uniforms would be the only time skirts would be appropriate, IMO.

It was all well and good for TOS and "Encounter at Farpoint," but I'm glad they realized it's easier to shimmy around the Jeffries tubes in pants.

 

[Zameaze]

Re: Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniski

Janeway doesn't look like a man and she only looks short compared to Seven.

You're not doing your cause any good putting the picture in our minds of Janeway standing next to Seven: When she stood next to Seven, Janeway looked like an old man in second hand maternity clothes.

They were clearly hoping the audience would be mature enough to accept the captain without pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Ah, but if the writers did not take "the lowest common denominator" into account, they would not have an audience. We are all ruled by our genes, e.g., scientists have recently found that a drug used to treat Parkinson's disease can trigger compulsive gambling. This means that our genes have already established receptors for the "gambling signal", otherwise that drug could not have this side-effect. Once the signal is detected, people start gambling and their conscious minds begin to invent reasons why they are doing this when, the fact is, the conscious mind had nothing to do with it. Men's genes tell them to spread their seed far and wide. Female genes tell them to latch onto a man fierce enough to protect her while she's busy being pregnant and giving birth (the bad boy syndrome), and to find someone loyal enough to stay with her and help raise the kids (not necessarily the same person). As the great philosopher Popeye said, "I yam what I yam and thats all what I yam."

 

[exodus]

Re: Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniski

You're not doing your cause any good putting the picture in our minds of Janeway standing next to Seven: When she stood next to Seven, Janeway looked like an old man in second hand maternity clothes.

They were clearly hoping the audience would be mature enough to accept the captain without pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Ah, but if the writers did not take "the lowest common denominator" into account, they would not have an audience. We are all ruled by our genes, e.g., scientists have recently found that a drug used to treat Parkinson's disease can trigger compulsive gambling. This means that our genes have already established receptors for the "gambling signal", otherwise that drug could not have this side-effect. Once the signal is detected, people start gambling and their conscious minds begin to invent reasons why they are doing this when, the fact is, the conscious mind had nothing to do with it. Men's genes tell them to spread their seed far and wide. Female genes tell them to latch onto a man fierce enough to protect her while she's busy being pregnant and giving birth (the bad boy syndrome), and to find someone loyal enough to stay with her and help raise the kids (not necessarily the same person). As the great philosopher Popeye said, "I yam what I yam and thats all what I yam."

You had me until you quoted Popeye.

 

[SRFX]

Re: Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniski

You're not doing your cause any good putting the picture in our minds of Janeway standing next to Seven: When she stood next to Seven, Janeway looked like an old man in second hand maternity clothes.

They were clearly hoping the audience would be mature enough to accept the captain without pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Ah, but if the writers did not take "the lowest common denominator" into account, they would not have an audience. We are all ruled by our genes, e.g., scientists have recently found that a drug used to treat Parkinson's disease can trigger compulsive gambling. This means that our genes have already established receptors for the "gambling signal", otherwise that drug could not have this side-effect. Once the signal is detected, people start gambling and their conscious minds begin to invent reasons why they are doing this when, the fact is, the conscious mind had nothing to do with it. Men's genes tell them to spread their seed far and wide. Female genes tell them to latch onto a man fierce enough to protect her while she's busy being pregnant and giving birth (the bad boy syndrome), and to find someone loyal enough to stay with her and help raise the kids (not necessarily the same person). As the great philosopher Popeye said, "I yam what I yam and thats all what I yam."

What.