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Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniskirt?

Minskirts?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 20 40.0%

  • No.

    Votes: 30 60.0%
  • Total voters
    50
Guy Gardener

Guy Gardener

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Would we've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a miniskirt?

I forgot to be aroused by the beautiful women on Voyager all the time because they were kitted up unisex, even though season one TNG insists that ordinary men wear miniskirts too, which would make miniskirts as unisex as trousers and all arguments about gendered wardrobe diffuse.

I mean considering the baited hook for Voyager was "look a girl is in charge, how empowering!" They really did their best to make Kathy out to be a guy, completely headstrong with very little tact or conspiracy, and could they keep her knees Victorianly covered up any more absolutely?

It's 30 years since I first saw that Romulan Commandrix from the Enterprise incident constantly arranging a severe Picard tug every four and a half seconds against the two inches of fabric draping south past her hips they afforded the girl to coverup her reproductive organs attempting to elasticate that sheer sheaf of regulation uniform into three inches and an ounce of modesty, and I've never once thought her sexuality was vacant nor her authority on the bridge isn't some stunt from the suits running the network, because I clearly couldn't think at all while she was on screen.

Goodness gracious me, if it was vogue enough for Zap Brannigan why not Kathy and B'Elanna?!

Should TPTB have been putting their actors in something clearly descended from TOSian miniskirts from the beginning, and more importantly if you were marking the wardrobe department would you have done "this" and do you suspect that it would have kept viewers glued?

:)

Boys in miniskirts is hilarious, so they should be in skirts too right?
 
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Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Think I would have barfed if I had seen Mulgrew in a mini skirt. Between that and her horrible smokers' voice she'd have been perfect as a prostitute.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Alas but that Starfleet in her time would have hopefully been advanced enough to accept a woman in command in a mini - but audiences here on primitive earth might not have (read Seven in a catsuit - a walking Borg brain with all that information in her head and people were obssessed with her other assets!).

I think Janeway would've been killer in a mini - she remains a very attractive lady. But what's good for Geese is good for Ganders and skants for male Starfleeters beyond that first season of TNG may have done as much to turn viewers' ideas about gender and authority on their ears as Janeway in a mini.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Janeway in a mini, how can this be something that we as trekkie fans are talking about when women have had the vote how long? Sad but true a women in charge almost seemed risky in 1996, (Series launch I think,) pity Trek did not question our sensiblities a little more.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

mid 90s poitical correctness gone insane, I was thinking that they were too afraid to seem old school exploitative that they veered too far to the side of caution Udat that they were ignoring the utility and comfort of a miniskirt (it's so much easier to kungfu kick someone in the face with out all the obstruction of an inside seem or gusset.), when in all honesty did you look at Troi's wardrobe over the years? Nothing lascivious but definitely feminine and half the time she was in a skirt.

(However I can imagine that at some point a starship crashlanded on an ice planet in the TOS era, and all the women froze to death, but all the men in the crew survived to be rescued because they had trousers.)

I remember when Starbuck from NuBSG put on a dress for what looked like a "ho-down" but the first thing out of her mouth was some thing like "If you say anything I'll beat the frakk out of you."

What about the "tunic" dress uniform for the boys in season one TNG?

It was a miniskirt and tights.

Meanwhile why am I to think that catsuits are sexy?

Wesley wore catsuits everyweek and it did nothing for me.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

They did accept and respect Uhura, didn't they?

And Troi too.

Janeway would have looket great in a miniskirt. I mean, she did actually look good.

Besides that, clothes doesn't matter. It's the personality which creates respect.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Don't be ridiculous.

Which personality?

She has a few.

Janeway might have had time to change her clothes half a dozen times before you get the topography of her psyche accurately charted for dangers and triggers of easement.

6 outfits vs 6 personalities?

That seems even.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Miniskirts are great, but hotpants/short-shorts are more complimentary to the wide array of body types displayed in the show. Gender neutral, too. So we could have the entire crew showing off their gams. More skin = more fun for everyone.

Revealing clothing would have opened up the show to be appreciated on a whole other plane. You aren't just watching a sci-fi or space opera show, or a parable on the human condition, you're also getting a nice T&A treat for those nights you don't feel up to wrapping your head around the depth of Star Trek.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Neelix in a miniskirt? :eek:

No. Way.

Guys, if you don't wear a tunic and pants, wear a shirt and kilt. One or the other - nothing else works for me, unless you decide to dress Roman.

As for Janeway, she was the Captain and had to dress professionally. She did wear dresses off-duty and sometimes on away missions.

And I can't imagine B'Elanna in a dress without inflicting major bodily homicide on whoever would be stupid enough to order her to wear one.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Janeway was too mature (in years) to wear a mini-skirt.

Did we ever actually see any women over the age of 30 (ish) on TOS or TNG that wore mini-skirts? I just wondered, because if it was proper star fleet attire then the older women would have worn them too, right?
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

borg_curious said:
Janeway was too mature (in years) to wear a mini-skirt.

Did we ever actually see any women over the age of 30 (ish) on TOS or TNG that wore mini-skirts? I just wondered, because if it was proper star fleet attire then the older women would have worn them too, right?
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*Lt. Rhada in 'For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky'...

*Lt. Commander Uhura in Star Trek III, V, and VI....

*Areel Shaw in 'Court-Martial'

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There needs to be someone with good photoshop skills to show the posters what would have been, in regards to Voyager...*ahem*
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

memory alpha says Janeway was 35ish when she started.

That's only old to children with no imagination.

And, I am as interested in seeing the entire female compliment in miniskirts, it's just that I'm understanding that there is some bias at work that the tailoring for their costuming is utterly sexless insisting that the lines and curves of the male and female form are identical.

Which is just sad.

However...

The first Saavik was breathtaking in pants.

According to Q, "clothing" is an outdated human concept of morality.

In the traditional ferengi's mind: Any clothing at all makes that woman a tramp.

Their uniforms were outdated. The further into their mission home they got the more changes in regulation fit that the fleet forced upon itself back home, the more "archaic" Voyager's anachronistic niche must seem that any old uniform would be AS retro as what they had all agreed to stay affixed to as their line standard... There was never a "Wear an outdated uniform to work day" on Voyager's social calendar?

Neelix was just phoning in his responsibilities as moral officer by the end.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Kirsty had to wander off.

So, then instead we have Robin Curtis offering herself up on a platter to sate Spock's ponn far.

That's just bad pool.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

I think looking back at the series the could, should have done more to challenge us as audience, however the question comes to mind why didn`t they?
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Guy Gardener said:
Don't be ridiculous.

Which personality?

She has a few.

Janeway might have had time to change her clothes half a dozen times before you get the topography of her psyche accurately charted for dangers and triggers of easement.

6 outfits vs 6 personalities?

That seems even.
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I think she has two personalities. The one we saw in seasons 1-3 and the one we saw in seasons 4-7 when the writers lost inspiration and made her a bit weird.

Personally I think she was great in seasons 1-3.

As for uniforms, I like the Voyager uniforms as they were in the series.
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Udat said
I think looking back at the series the could, should have done more to challenge us as audience, however the question comes to mind why didn`t they?
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They were not allowed.

UPN wanted visual morphine so that all the potatoes didn't have the will to reach for their remote controls when their advertising began to shill.

I'm not joking.

Berman, Braga and even Taylor all wanted to make better Voyager but they were ordered not to.

Following orders?

Where have I heard that before?
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Aside from never having understood the whole miniskirt fixation, I don't see what her wearing one would have added to the show. Or the other female characters wearing "more feminine" clothing for that matter. There's quite enough eye candy as it, if you want more there's a thing known as "adult entertainment" with all the appropriate depth to go with it ;)

No but really, people blame Jeri Ryan for being simply a hook to get horny teenagers to watch the show, yet at the same time the rest of the cast should be wearing more sexy clothing... what?
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

^ I think Ensign`s should wear mini`s
 
Re: Would the've accepted Kathy as a woman if her uniform was a minisk

Why aren't there any photomanips of Janeway in a miniskirt yet?
 
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