Oh, please. Take your Shatneverse hatred elsewhere.
Would "Star Trek: The Return" have made for a good film?
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What, I'm not entitled to my opinion that Shatner's Trek novels are nothing more than him applying balm to his own ego because he suddenly had regrets about allowing Berman, Braga & Moore to kill off Kirk in Generations?
The Return would have been a terrible movie. I love the character of Captain Kirk, and I think Shatner's a good actor (an opinion based more on his performance on Boston Legal than Star Trek), but the book was the worst kind of ego-driven fan-service, and the idea that a fat, 75-year-old Shatner could still pull this role off is laughable.
I realize that any criticisms I level against Shatner's novels will be falling upon deaf ears, and probably regarded as "hatred" and blasphemy. Anyone who refers to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy in his signature as "The Holy Three" already has his mind made up.
The Return would have been a terrible movie. I love the character of Captain Kirk, and I think Shatner's a good actor (an opinion based more on his performance on Boston Legal than Star Trek), but the book was the worst kind of ego-driven fan-service, and the idea that a fat, 75-year-old Shatner could still pull this role off is laughable.
I realize that any criticisms I level against Shatner's novels will be falling upon deaf ears, and probably regarded as "hatred" and blasphemy. Anyone who refers to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy in his signature as "The Holy Three" already has his mind made up.
The Holy Three is an affectionate term, I didn't even invent. That said, its been perfectly clear you hate those books, but I don't see what does repeating your opinion over and over bring to the table.
When you ask for peoples opinions you shouldn't be surprised when you get them. Or did you just want the opinions you liked?
And how is someone repeating their negative opinion of the Shatnerverse books any less worthy than someone else repeating how they think they're the best thing since sliced bread?
Because just saying that you hate something, over and over and over without any real purpose doesn't strike as intelligent argument. And those who actually "think they're the best thing since sliced bread", I listen to because they're in a minority.
I guess your real problem is we're not accustomed to your taste.
I guess your real problem is we're not accustomed to your taste.
That just doesn't fly. cardinal biggles, myself and others have stated why we have issues with or dislike the Shatnerverse novels both here and in the Lit Forum just as much as others, like yourself, have stated reasons why you like them. So I don't see how one is an "intelligent argument" and one isn't.
And that's the very crux of the problem. This is concrete proof that the Borg and V'Ger aren't related.
I gotta go back and read the older ones (as I haven't since they came out), but I didn't see the TNG-era characters looking weak (or stupid for that matter) in the latest trilogy.
They don't. They're just not the stars, and for that, they're weak.
Truth, though, is that Picard's significance in a couple of stories could've elavated had Shatner/Reeves-Stevens bothered to do so. For instance, PRESERVER plays out like a Picard-Riker-Kirk story, yet in the end the climax/coda concern only Kirk and Spock. Which was, to me, dissapointing, and a reason why PRESERVER scores lower in my list than other Shatnerverse.
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