Would Riker get away with calling Picard "JL"?

[BillJ]

I'm thinking it was used to indicate that folks like Guinan and Raffi were/are important people in Jean-Luc's life.

I forgot about Guinan, but she really seemed to have less impact on Picard's life after "The Best of Both Worlds".

 

[BillJ]

Not even Beverly ever called Picard with the latter.

Because Beverly Crusher isn't Raffi Musiker. People keep trying to compare because it seems they can't wrap their minds around someone outside the Enterprise gang being close to Picard.

 

[Kor]

I'm thinking it was used to indicate that folks like Guinan and Raffi were/are important people in Jean-Luc's life.
But I think I would have just listed them rather than going with a political grouping term.

Hmm. And in First Contact, newcomer Lily was the one who talked sense into Picard, rather than his officers who were his friends, and whom he had worked with for years.

Kor

 

[DaveyNY]

One has to take into account the type of personality that Raffi has in order to understand the 'why'.
It's obvious to me that she never was your typical Star Fleet Officer.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Beverly certainly called him Jean Luc (at least in private or informal settings).

Though I do not like the choice, JL isnot an issue for me. Is "Raffi" a nickname?

 

[DaveyNY]

Beverly certainly called him Jean Luc (at least in private or informal settings).

Though I do not like the choice, JL isnot an issue for me. Is "Raffi" a nickname?

Not that we know of yet.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Is "Raffi" a nickname?

Perhaps Raphaelle?

 

[DaveyNY]

Perhaps Raphaelle?

More likely it comes from this ...

Rafi' or Raffi (Arabic: رفیع‎ Persian: رافی‎ Urdu: رفیع‎) is a name of Arabic origin is one of the names of God in Islam, stemming from the Arabic verb rafaʿ (رَفَع), meaning "to lift, to raise (something high)". maybe also rafi means "noble". ... Rafi is also a common nickname amongst Jews for people named Rafael.

The show Writers may have been going for the "Noble" aspect of the name.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Rafi is also a common nickname amongst Jews for people named Rafael.

Which is where I got it from. It means "G-d will heal."

 

[DaveyNY]

Which is where I got it from. It means "G-d will heal."

I think perhaps They were showing that the character is flawed, but even so has always tried to do the 'noble' thing.

 

[Longinus]

Hmm. And in First Contact, newcomer Lily was the one who talked sense into Picard, rather than his officers who were his friends, and whom he had worked with for years.

Yep. And it is exactly because she was an outsider that she could say what she did.

 

[fireproof78]

Hmm. And in First Contact, newcomer Lily was the one who talked sense into Picard, rather than his officers who were his friends, and whom he had worked with for years.

Kor

He was more harsh with Worf.

 

[Nyotarules]

If Riker struted out the Turbolift shouted "Hows it hangin' JL?" while getting into his chair would he have gotten away with it?

I'm guessing no, so why does this new character?

Because the new character is not a Riker clone, and JL had no objections to it.

Count me as completely fucking confused. I don't remember any women of color in Picard's life?

They were a pale pink, the most important lady was brown (Guinan)

 

[Qonundrum]

Old people can get mellow and not crotchety (or more so)?

Maybe it's because the writers of the show are stuck in "21st century hipster lingo missing only the words 'groovy' and 'gag me with a spoon' " mode. In-universe, I'm just going to peg it all as a trick by Q for now, as Q was calling him Johnnycakes too... or at least "Johnny"... But "Jean-Luc" is not "JL", which sounds like the name of a trucker's ham radio callsign...

 

[Extrocomp]

Huh what? I don't use the term SJW, it's a deeply offensive term used by the alt-right, and they represent everything I stand against.

You seem to be misinformed. I voted for the Australian Greens, a progressive, left-wing party, but I use the term SJW and hate them with a passion. The problem is that Wikipedia incorrectly claims that "SJW" is a pejorative for someone who promotes progressive views. That is absolutely NOT what the term SJW really means.

 

[fireproof78]

You seem to be misinformed. I voted for the Australian Greens, a progressive, left-wing party, but I use the term SJW and hate them with a passion. The problem is that Wikipedia incorrectly claims that "SJW" is a pejorative for someone who promotes progressive views. That is absolutely NOT what the term SJW really means.

And let's avoid politics here, please. That's a quick way to get a thread locked.

 

[serabine]

It sounds logical. The question is: how long does Picard and Raffi known each other? As I stated earlier Picard and Beverly Crusher have known each other for twenty-plus years prior to TNG, and as the only person abroad the Enterprise-D who had known Picard since his Stargazer years, it was fine for Beverly to call him 'Jean-Luc.'

There was only six years between the events of 'Nemesis' and the Mars attack/the cancellation of the Romulan rescue mission (2379 to 2385). Raffi was likely Picard's XO for two to three years since Picard was assigned into the Romulan rescue mission. If they were very close together esp during these away missions, I would have expected her to call her 'Jean-Luc' but not 'JL.' Not even Beverly ever called Picard with the latter.

Beverly is not the type to call him "JL". Raffi is.

What is so hard to grasp about different people treating each other differently, especially when they've met and worked together under different circumstances? There's a certain ... irreverence in the nickname "JL". But instead of recognizing that and then extrapolating information about Raffi's character and her relationship with Picard from it we get complaints that entirely different characters didn't do it. "But Riker did it this way, so why is someone else doing it differently!" is backwards logic, when it should be "Riker did it this way, but Raffi does it this way - so what does that mean?".

Maybe Raffi has a problem with authority. Maybe they started out overly stiff and formal because of it. Maybe Raffi is a habitual nicknamer, and Picard took her starting to call him "JL" as a victory because it meant she started to trust him as a superior officer. There's plenty of possible scenarios where him allowing her to affectionately nickname him would make perfect sense. And they all hinge on him being a good leader and changing his approach according to who he's with and under which circumstances.

Or maybe old "Johnny" Picard has simply mellowed out in his old age.

 

[Search4]

River WILL call him JL in a few episodes and the BBS explodes.

 

[Turtletrekker]

River WILL call him JL in a few episodes and the BBS explodes.

River Song? River Tam?

 

[Tenacity]

TLDR

Wonder what Jack Crusher called Picard?