Would Into Darkness have been a better film if Khan was not the villain?

[fireproof78]

Why indeed ?

 

[Nyotarules]

Why indeed ?

To give the die hard fans an orgasm... (failed with me)

 

[fireproof78]

To give the die hard fans an orgasm... (failed with me)

Same.

 

[F. King Daniel]

To give the die hard fans an orgasm... (failed with me)

Or just for Khan to stroke his own ego which is 100% in character. He's the biggest deal in the world to him, but to Kirk he's just "A 300 year old frozen man"

 

[fireproof78]

Or just for Khan to stroke his own ego which is 100% in character. He's the biggest deal in the world to him, but to Kirk he's just "A 300 year old frozen man"

True. It definitely was a huge ego stroke for Khan to reclaim his name after working with Marcus.

 

[Kor]

I thought I read that some studio meddling turned the character into Khan, when he was originally supposed to be just a menacing rogue Federation agent.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

I thought I read that some studio meddling turned the character into Khan, when he was originally supposed to be just a menacing rogue Federation agent.

Kor

From what I recall the writers got the directive from Damon Lindelof suggested Khan and Orci was against it. So, they worked with the villain in a way that would be detached from Trek lore but still embody an interesting villain, then went to see if Khan made sense.

I don't think it really worked, but it wasn't studio interference so much as cake and eat it too.

 

[NCC-73515]

Back in 2009 they thought about adding the Botany Bay drifting in space after the credits, so Khan was definitely on their minds for the sequel

 

[F. King Daniel]

Back in 2009 they thought about adding the Botany Bay drifting in space after the credits, so Khan was definitely on their minds for the sequel

Yep, the way they talk about it on the commentary track makes you think it was always the plan.

 

[DonIago]

Back in 2009 they thought about adding the Botany Bay drifting in space after the credits, so Khan was definitely on their minds for the sequel

Such a missed opportunity to build anticipation.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Back in 2009 they thought about adding the Botany Bay drifting in space after the credits, so Khan was definitely on their minds for the sequel

Such a missed opportunity to build anticipation.

As they were following Batman Begins its surprising they didn't do that . Maybe it'd have been for the best as it would've prevented the 'do we do khan or not' with the script (which probably meant ID was delayed to 2013 instead of summer 2012 and therefore maybe a more suitable actor for khan) and none of the 'is he isn't he khan/Gary' promo stuff .. also had ID been 2012 it'd have probably meant abit bigger box office and also more time to get ST3 right (not the rush job it ended up)

 

[fireproof78]

There was already a delay in production because the production team members all had other obligations and so when Paramount green lit a sequel they had to wait until schedules lined up.

Also, they had Benecio Del Toro in talks to be Khan. Cumberbatch was a last minute casting.

 

[Kpnuts]

The RoS death fake-outs bothered me more precisely because they were more manipulative of the audience.

I know it's Star Wars, and people like to be outraged by anything the sequels do, but in no way did I feel manipulated. And even if I did, so what? Tons of films manipulate the audience into thinking one thing and then throwing a twist later. Films are constantly doing that. But again, Star Wars sequels, so everything has to be egregious am I right

But yeah the Kirk death/rebirth thing was pointless. And Picard going the exact same thing was equally pointless.

 

[DonIago]

Um...I'm not -that- kind of Star Wars fan, but thanks for lumping me in.