Would a TOS remaster job work for the Trek movies?

[Christopher]

Turd Ferguson said:
Only if they digitally replace the MacIntosh that Scotty uses in Star Trek IV for the transparent aluminum formula with some sort of state of the art computer workstation. That part always brings me out of the movie.

Uhh, that computer was state of the art for the time period of the movie.


And just to belabor the point again: Every re-release of the movies has probably already been remastered and every subsequent one probably will be as well -- because "remastering" means going back to the original master print and making copies directly from it for maximum quality, which is a routine practice in home-video releases. It DOES NOT mean creating new effects to replace original material.

 

[Oso Blanco]

EliyahuQeoni said:
The movies look fine the way they are. For that matter, so did the original series. If you want a show/movie with modern CGI effects I recommend not watching 1960s TV shows and 1980s movies.

:thumbsup:

 

[Delta1]

Turd Ferguson said he wanted to see a state-of-the-art workstation. The computer in STIV was a state-of-the-art desktop. So I guess he wants it replaced with a Unix machine suitable for modeling the chemical structure of novel materials.

Back to the main topic, I guess recompositing the visual effects wouldn't hurt. No need to go throwing in Rock Men, Times New Roman, or Jabba the Hutt, though. Use the original elements and editing decisions, just make them look as good as possible.

Except for that BoP explosion in Generations. That has annoyed me every time.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

It was good for 1986. Man, I remember when the green-screen Apple was a big deal!

 

[Tomalak]

Christopher said:

Turd Ferguson said:
Only if they digitally replace the MacIntosh that Scotty uses in Star Trek IV for the transparent aluminum formula with some sort of state of the art computer workstation. That part always brings me out of the movie.

Uhh, that computer was state of the art for the time period of the movie.

Wooosh!


Surely?

 

[Trevacious]

Uhh, that computer was state of the art for the time period of the movie.

T'was 1986...!

However, even in '86, I didn't like the goofy way they showed Scotty whipping up that model in 20 seconds by randomly slapping at the keyboard. I would trim that out.

Maybe if he'd used a tricorder to transfer the information or something...

I'd rather they showed him cracking his knuckles and then just cut away to another scene for a few minutes. Then come back and Scotty has the finished matrix on screen.

 

[Delta1]

Peach Wookiee said:
It was good for 1986. Man, I remember when the green-screen Apple was a big deal!

Whether or not it was good, a Macintosh Plus wasn't really a workstation. A workstation isn't really necessary to illustrate something, but for some reason that's what an earlier poster wanted to see.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Very true. Man, reading the specs on the Macintosh Plus... 1 MB of memory expandable to 4 MB... those were the days...

 

[DumbDumb2007]

All the films should get a do over starting with Star Trek 5. star Trek 2 should get a do over with the massive spacedock in the background on the horizon in Earth Orbit with anothet type of small starship in the distance. TMP and Twok should both have science vessels in them in the background in earth orbit.
Star trek films made it look like the 1701 refit and A were the only Constitution class ships in the whole fleet !
the reused footage of the 1701-a in spacedock from st4 sholuld be excised from star trek 5 and 6.

 

[Trevacious]

DumbDumb2007 said:
Star trek films made it look like the 1701 refit and A were the only Constitution class ships in the whole fleet !

Well, you overlook that only such clever planning as this can lead to exciting scenarios wherein the Enteprise is "the only ship in the quadrant."

With naught but empty orbital space around it, fans can't point and say, "but what about that Oberth floating around in the background?? Why does it gotta be the Enteprise, with less than a skeleton crew aboard?"

Starships and fully-trained starfleet officers are major undertakings and they're few and far between, aside from very special occasions. How's that?

 

[StarMan]

I'd welcome some tweaks to TWOK and a total revamp of TFF.

 

[Kegek]

I'd consider the TMP: DE a better example of a film oriented remastering than TOS. For one thing, there's arguably far less to be done: A lot of the material in the films still holds up fine. The only film I think needing a complete overhaul is TFF; though GEN really needs to ditch that stock footage from the TV show.

 

[Rico]

I kind of hope they leave the movies alone. There is a huge leap in effects from the TOS days to the movie days. No real need to redo. I just want HD versions of the films.

 

[Ryann866]

They shouldn't change any of the FX work for Treks I-IV. Those films represent some of the best miniature work from that era of filmmaking. The beauty shots of the E in TMP, the nebula battle from TWOK, the "stealing the Enterprise" and destruction sequence from TSFS -- all of these effects are a testament to a form of photography that is almost extinct. Yes, you could probably add some more dynamic shots with CGI, but what would be the point?

To me, nothing holds as much realism as model work -- look at Blade Runner, or even the original Star Wars. CGI -- even the best stuff tends to lean towards being a kind of eye candy -- but for realism and believeablility, I'll stick with the models.

Trek V on the other hand -- that story could really be helped by re-doing the effects. Imagine what a great sequence the Great Barrier scenes could be if done correctly.

 

[Trekker83]

This:

"To me, nothing holds as much realism as model work -- look at Blade Runner, or even the original Star Wars. CGI -- even the best stuff tends to lean towards being a kind of eye candy -- but for realism and believeablility, I'll stick with the models."

Contradicts:

"Trek V on the other hand -- that story could really be helped by re-doing the effects."

 

[Maurice]

Well, you can photograph models well or badly. And your optical printing can ruin a great pass on a model.

 

[Candlelight]

Yes, redo them with CGI, as long as they use Weta.

That way, NZ gets money.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

EliyahuQeoni said:

Emperor-Tiberius said:
Not to mention the horribly dated font in the retinal scan scene in TWOK.

If you dislike dated effects I would recommend not watching 25 year old movies.

Thats a stupid comment. It has nothing to do with my liking the film - I love TWOK, and watch it twice a year. But that doesn't stop from being rational. Somes FX in TWOK need improvement. Particularly Kirk's ratinal scan.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I think we have a difference of opinion here, gang. First off, a movie should be more than special effects and I think Emperor-Tiberius has said he likes the movie, but not the effects.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Its not like I find the SFX abhorent - I only say that it, along with STV, are the ones that should receive an SFX remaster, should the movies ever be in question of being subjected to such a process.

And not only do I like TWOK, I love that film.