Worst Trek book?
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TerriO said:
And people wonder why this forum has the rep it gets.
"No rationality, no service"?
"Leave your bullshit at the door"?
"Pun at your own risk"?
Fictititously yours, Trent Roman
Nature's doing it (shaving my head) for me. Which is fine because it allows me to put on by British accent and say: "Make it so. No--make it JUST so."
Defcon said:
I knew it, Una McCormack is Cardassian!
Sssssh! Let it be our secret.
Wouldn't help. No one ever reads the FAQs.
Sorry, that's not how I meant it. Just the way he inserts it and writes it. If his writing style wasn't so damn bold, if it was more subtle rather than a glaring red light in the face, I wouldn't mind. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that, and fornot checking the thread earlier to clear that up.
I'm just curious as to precisely what is this nebulous "gay agenda" that everyone seems to be voicing complaints about. Last I checked, the only agenda any of my gay friends had was in their calendar on their PDA. 
Unless you're saying that an inclusive culture that doesn't discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, sexual orientation, or planet of origin--or treat any of those qualities as though they're some sort of disease that can be "cured"--such as the one in the Trek universe annoys you?
Unless you're saying that an inclusive culture that doesn't discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, sexual orientation, or planet of origin--or treat any of those qualities as though they're some sort of disease that can be "cured"--such as the one in the Trek universe annoys you?
^ I think he means their "agenda" of drawing breath, having civil rights, the ability to marry, etc. You know, the things that white people used to say would lead to rack and ruin if they were ever given to "coloreds." (Of course, that turned out to be utter bigoted bullcrap, but we're meant to think this is different, somehow.)
An interesting observation, given that Andy writes all of his Trek novels with Mike Martin (a very much out of the closet heterosexual). I'm not sure there's any real way to tell which parts of their various books are written by which author, but I *am* certain it's not as clear-cut as anyone might think.
Perhaps, but seriously, is the automatic attack posture really necessary, Dave? All I did was try to get the poster to explain their statement, and some folks around here come out like pit bulls on steroids instead of, perish the thought, trying to have a discussion with people.
If you throw verbal invective at people long enough, they start to tune it out and won't participate in any discussions, and that's not the way to foster understanding among any two groups. Then you end up with this same "gay/colored/pick a minority agenda" bullshit being thrown out by people who may or may not understand exactly what they're complaining about. Perish the thought someone actually asks a frapping question.
Yeah, I think it's a bunch of BS, too, and don't think for a minute I've forgotten growing up with a grandfather who'd make Archie Bunker look like a bastion of tolerance and racial harmony, but Goddess forfend we actually try to have an intelligent discussion that doesn't degenerate into bitching about bigotry and people being attacked without trying to see their perspective, even if we don't agree with it. And I know I've been guilty of it in the past. My temper is about as Irish/German mix as it gets. I'm not for a minute denying any guilt on this.
And again I say, people wonder why this forum gets a rep for being antagonistic and people don't think they can say anything negative for fear of getting their heads chopped off.
The only reason people are implying it is because it's easy to infer it from what you posted. First of all, you focused on the gay half of the writing team and ignored the heterosexual member of it. Secondly, if it's an issue with the writing style, why did you focus solely on the use of gay characters?
If you don't want to be accused of racism, don't say racist things. Simple as that. If you insert the word "black" or "Jew" where you used "gay," would you have even posted it? If the answer is "no," then what you said is racist, whether you meant it that way or not.
Don't think for a minute that your personal opinions aren't welcomed here, AJA. Please. I suspect we wouldn't have had some of the ugliness if that had been what you posted the first time. 
In a group of writers and readers, words and their usage are a bit more valuable than they might be elsewhere.
So, if you don't mind, can you elucidate what about the writing style and character (I'm assuming Keru?) detracted from the story for you? Constructive criticism always tends to go over a bit better around these parts. Saying "I didn't like that" is one thing, but being able to say why you didn't like something is something else entirely.
In a group of writers and readers, words and their usage are a bit more valuable than they might be elsewhere.
So, if you don't mind, can you elucidate what about the writing style and character (I'm assuming Keru?) detracted from the story for you? Constructive criticism always tends to go over a bit better around these parts. Saying "I didn't like that" is one thing, but being able to say why you didn't like something is something else entirely.
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