Umm... of course it introduced a lot of new characters. That's what any series premiere does. Are you unwilling to read wholly original novels because you don't already know the characters?
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Umm... of course it introduced a lot of new characters. That's what any series premiere does. Are you unwilling to read wholly original novels because you don't already know the characters?
That's Not what I said. The book had no less than three SF crews, not counting Kirk & co. Plus the number of new characters was too much, way too quickly. There were multiple story lines that were either irrelevant or unconnected to the other stories. For a full length book, it doesn't actually get to the point until the last few pages. 
So, imo, it was a mess. I've seen much better story arc intros, personally. Maybe I'll pick up the last book, whenever that comes out.
So, imo, it was a mess. I've seen much better story arc intros, personally. Maybe I'll pick up the last book, whenever that comes out.
The number of new characters in Vanguard: Harbinger was no larger than what you typically find in an original novel.
Every single arc that I can recall from that novel was either directly connected to the main story arc or was rather obviously foreshadoing for future plots that were going to connect to the series meta-arc.
Did we read the same book? Every single thing in the book was related and most definitely relevant to everything else.
I couldn't disagree with you more. There were no more characters introduced in this book than there were in Taking Wing (the first Titan book), in fact I'd say that there were alot more in TW. As for unconnected storylines, the ones that seemed unconnected to the main arc, were improtant to character development IMO. Personally, I can't think of a single chapter of the book that didn't somehow move the arc forward.ancient said:
. Plus the number of new characters was too much, way too quickly. There were multiple story lines that were either irrelevant or unconnected to the other stories. For a full length book, it doesn't actually get to the point until the last few pages.
This again? What a bore.
Would it be possible for the moderators to keep one of the gay-bashing threads stickied so the trogs can congragate there to celebrate their prejudice and cease derailing other threads?
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Y'know, if I was gay, and had to come up with a sexual agenda, I'd try to be a lot more ambitious than just asserting that homosexuals exist in a fictional world.
i done hate them oh-riginal see-rees and next gen-ur-ayshun books cuz they done promote a white ageenduh wid alla dem white folks in charge. is racist man!
see? that's how stupid YOU are for complaining about gay folks. so STFU!
see? that's how stupid YOU are for complaining about gay folks. so STFU!
KRAD said:
Me, I don't read DS9 novels, 'cause they're just promoting a black agenda by making the CO a black guy.
I don't read the relaunch, either, 'cause they're promoting the female agenda by putting Kira in charge instead of a normal character like Vaughn.
ROFL
Great comment, KRAD :thumbsup:
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Don't go away mad.
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Go away and stay away.
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And he spelled definitely wrong 
. That one really gets me too.
. That one really gets me too.
^^Me too. "Definately" is definitely one of my top spelling peeves, because it's so damn common online.
And he also mangled the spelling of "Mangels," while we're at it. Not to mention ignoring Mike Martin, as though somehow the gay member of the team had to force the hetero member to include gay characters. Which is about as stupid as assuming that only a black author would use black characters, or that only a Cardassian author would use Cardassian characters, etc.
Not to mention the thing that always bewilders me -- of course Trek has a pro-gay agenda. It has a pro-woman, pro-black, pro-Asian, pro-Russian, pro-Arab, pro-Native American, pro-disabled, pro-bald, pro-AI (TOS aside), pro-everybody agenda. That's what Star Trek has always, always been about. So how dense do you have to be to find it surprising that gays are included too? I mean, is this a no-brainer or what?
And he also mangled the spelling of "Mangels," while we're at it. Not to mention ignoring Mike Martin, as though somehow the gay member of the team had to force the hetero member to include gay characters. Which is about as stupid as assuming that only a black author would use black characters, or that only a Cardassian author would use Cardassian characters, etc.
Not to mention the thing that always bewilders me -- of course Trek has a pro-gay agenda. It has a pro-woman, pro-black, pro-Asian, pro-Russian, pro-Arab, pro-Native American, pro-disabled, pro-bald, pro-AI (TOS aside), pro-everybody agenda. That's what Star Trek has always, always been about. So how dense do you have to be to find it surprising that gays are included too? I mean, is this a no-brainer or what?
^ Pro-bald in Picard's time, sure...but pro-wig in Kirk's time. 
Then you'd be promoting the old-people agenda!
DaveGalanter said:
^ Pro-bald in Picard's time, sure...but pro-wig in Kirk's time.
That reminds me ... Way back when, early in the TNG run, I remember being at the grocery store and seeing one of those gossip magazines with a headline saying "New Star Trek series forces its fans to shave their heads" ... I never bothered buying it.
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