Worst tos episode

[scotpens]

Just rewatched "Mudd's Women" and "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" MW's old fashion sexism ( even for the 60s) it pretty bad. WALGMO is slightly better. I don't think Korby ever answered the question of why he made Andrea a sexy half naked woman.

Did he need a reason?

As for "Mudd's Women," remember that Eve called out Ben Childress for wanting a trophy wife who was physically beautiful (and maybe good in bed), not a real human woman to be a life partner and helpmate. That's just as relevant today as it was in 1966.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Did he need a reason?

As for "Mudd's Women," remember that Eve called out Ben Childress for wanting a trophy wife who was physically beautiful (and maybe good in bed), not a real human woman to be a life partner and helpmate. That's just as relevant today as it was in 1966.

Hey, when your fiancée poses the question, you damn well better have an answer.

 

[picards bald cap fitter]

The Way to Eden is just painful to watch. The space hippies are a cliche. The extended musical numbers stop whatever meager plot there is cold. Kirk comes off as weirdly stodgy and I don't really buy Spock as someone who "reaches" the space hippies.

i agree by the end I was kind of happy to see some of the space hippies dead

 

[Tallguy]

I hate The Alternative Factor so much. I don't even care if there are worse episodes, that's my choice.

Over the years I'm leaning towards Plato's Stepchildren. Alternative is incompetently bad. (With lots of production issues.)

But Stepchildren is mean and unpleasant. And I don't like watching it.

Both of them are the hardest episodes to watch. It's easier to watch And the Children Shall Lead. (Spock's Brain isn't even in the running. It's fun to watch.)

Oh, and the end of Alternative (from when Kirk talks to Sane Lazarus at the end) to the last scene is really damn good. The rest of the episode is so unwatchable that I often forget that.

Going back to hating on Alternative: It just talks wrong. i can't explain it. It sounds like someone filmed a Gold Key comic. The words are CLOSE and certainly run of the mill sci-fi. But a lot of it isn't quite Star Trek. (See why Gene had to re-write everyone until they hated him?)

i agree by the end I was kind of happy to see some of the space hippies dead

Space Hippies is in kind of the unwashed meh of Star Trek for me. But the end of that episode was both scary (the GRASS will kill you!) and moving. (Kudos, Mr. Nimoy.)

I should start a thread "What episodes of TOS do you not care about one way or the other." Oh, hello Miri!

 

[picards bald cap fitter]

Over the years I'm leaning towards Plato's Stepchildren. Alternative is incompetently bad. (With lots of production issues.)

But Stepchildren is mean and unpleasant. And I don't like watching it.

Both of them are the hardest episodes to watch. It's easier to watch And the Children Shall Lead. (Spock's Brain isn't even in the running. It's fun to watch.)

Oh, and the end of Alternative (from when Kirk talks to Sane Lazarus at the end) to the last scene is really damn good. The rest of the episode is so unwatchable that I often forget that.

Going back to hating on Alternative: It just talks wrong. i can't explain it. It sounds like someone filmed a Gold Key comic. The words are CLOSE and certainly run of the mill sci-fi. But a lot of it isn't quite Star Trek. (See why Gene had to re-write everyone until they hated him?)


Space Hippies is in kind of the unwashed meh of Star Trek for me. But the end of that episode was both scary (the GRASS will kill you!) and moving. (Kudos, Mr. Nimoy.)

I should start a thread "What episodes of TOS do you not care about one way or the other." Oh, hello Miri!

Please do

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Weird flex here: Balance of Terror.

I'll toss BoT out for consideration.

I hate The Alternative Factor so much. I don't even care if there are worse episodes, that's my choice.

It's repetitive, to say the least. Just not to ''Shades of Gray'' levels. Younger viewers are unlikely to downgrade it, though there are are clear flaws adults can easily find.

Very original thinking from PoorSailorsAirline.

 

[Spock's Barber]

I hate The Alternative Factor so much. I don't even care if there are worse episodes, that's my choice.

It had interesting possibilities with the parallel universe aspect, but I think the director Gerd Oswald just had trouble working with the story.

 

[picards bald cap fitter]

I hate The Alternative Factor so much. I don't even care if there are worse episodes, that's my choice.

I don’t hate it the whole universe is in danger thing is kind of a shallow plot line and all the weird blue inverted fight scenes were really annoying but overall I didn’t mind it

 

[TRON JA307020]

Just rewatched "Mudd's Women" and "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" MW's old fashion sexism ( even for the 60s) it pretty bad. WALGMO is slightly better. I don't think Korby ever answered the question of why he made Andrea a sexy half naked woman.

I think it's obvious why a lonely male android with emotions made a sexy half naked woman android.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think it's obvious why a lonely male android with emotions made a sexy half naked woman android.

Yet he didn't what to come clean with Christine about it.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yet he didn't what to come clean with Christine about it.

Pretty much. Lol. Poor Christine. She most likely loses Spock because of his vulcan heritage and than her fiance becomes an android who made a female android companion. Talk about bad luck. Well at least she becomes an MD by TMP.

 

[Dukhat]

Zooming in on the womens’ butts was the directors’ questionable and unusual choice for artistic flare…

…as was having crewmen leer at those same butts.

TOS misogynistic? Say it ain't so!

 

[Grant]

I really hate about 10 episodes but I like a few bits from most. Michael Dunn deserved a better episode to feature in. The backlot in Miri could have been a nice location for a better episode. Janet MacLachlen should have gotten a part in a better episode. "Operation..." deserved a better ending than the bait and switch --"Spock is blind!" -- horse manure… etc.
Mark of Gideon and Patterns of Force are total junk but Patterns had the highest number of speaking parts of any TOS episode. Too bad they didn't save that money for an episode that could have used more speaking roles.

 

[picards bald cap fitter]

TOS misogynistic? Say it ain't so!

It was the 60s I guess

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

TOS misogynistic? Say it ain't so!

For MUDD'S WOMEN, it ain't. The leering scene has no contempt, no disliking and no violence or crude dialogue. It's not misogynistic. It's masculine appreciation of apparent beauty. CHARLIE X and THE ENEMY WITHIN, on the other hand.....

 

[Tallguy]

I hear people talking about Shouty Spock or Smiling Spock. Or obviously the terrible capper at the end of Enemy Within. Nobody ever mentions the scene in Mudd's Women with Spock looking like "DUDE, are you SEEING this?!?"

That's a helluva drug.

 

[Dukhat]

For MUDD'S WOMEN, it ain't. The leering scene has no contempt, no disliking and no violence or crude dialogue. It's not misogynistic. It's masculine appreciation of apparent beauty. CHARLIE X and THE ENEMY WITHIN, on the other hand.....

Perhaps 'misogyny' was the incorrect term. My point, rather, was that the women were treated as objects rather than people, which was also prevalent in episodes like "Charlie X" and "Metamorphosis."

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

How could any TOS episode possibly be WORSE than "The Way to Eden"?

I do love the fact that when Charles Napier (Adam) later did DS9's "Little Green Men", he asked to play the most un-Adam role possible. So there he was as the cigar-chomping Army general.

 

[Tallguy]

he asked to play the most un-Adam role possible

Was that really his call? He had gotten a rep for playing those kind of tough guys by that point.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yeah, it was probably only a rumor. But I don't care. Napier probably wanted to forget he ever played Adam.

Although he did write the songs he sang in that ep, I'm fairly sure of that.