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worst sci-fi TV series of post 1964

Outside of Colicos and Greene, BSG had a cast of good-looking people without notable acting talent.

Terry Carter was okay, as was Herb Jefferson, Jr. Benedict and Hatch were both likeable, if pretty boys whose talent (or lack of talent, in Benedict's case) would more clearly manifest itself later in their careers.

There were decent guest actors, as well, including Brock Peters, Fred Astaire, and Ed Begley, Jr.

I'm not going to argue it was a great series, or anything, but putting it amongst the worst (especially when the 1980 follow-up is so much worse) seems wrong to me.
 
I still don't get the level of vitriol hurled at BSG and not say, Buck Rogers, which has many of the same flaws.

At its worst - which is frequent enough -Lexx is easily the worst sci-fi series I've seen. But... I don't know. It's so aggressively, idiosyncratically weird in its surreal sort of way I kept watching.

I liked the dreamy visuals of Season 3, I have never seen TV do anything that fanciful, almost RPG-like. I loved Season 4's pop culture trash road trip as well. I could see that not playing well for everybody but it plays to my weird tastes. Though I don't think I could objectively say it was a "good" series. EDIT: Greg says it pretty well a couple of posts up.

Well it's made very clear in the first season that it's all going according to some kind of cosmic level plan and that some kind of "cosmic intelligence" is behind it all.

Which I had totally not caught on to, or had forgotten when I watched it as a kid, but was surprised at when I watched them as an adult. So part of the show where you would say "But realistically...." just insert vast cosmic intelligence to explain it away. At least I do, and it works surprisingly well. ;)

I agree with that, I had never seen Space 1999 until a couple of years ago and I thought it was an interesting series. I think they did a good job of transcending the over-the-top premise with solid execution to take advantage of it.
 
After reading through this thread, all I got from it is that calling something 'worst' is very subjective. Every show has it's fans, no matter how 'bad' one might think it is.

If you want to list something as 'worst,' try listing something no one could ever say is good. Removing it from your personal opinion might actually make it worthwhile.

Personally, I don't see any series hated by everyone.

Except Black Scorpion.

I don't hate Black Scorpion. But then, I've never seen it so I can't say wiether it's good or bad.
 
I still don't get the level of vitriol hurled at BSG and not say, Buck Rogers, which has many of the same flaws.

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That's probably because we haven't had people insisting for the last several years that the original show was a "classic" compared to that "horrible" new version.

It's a backlash against the backlash against the remake! :)

Plus, I don't think anybody has ever insisted that BUCK ROGERS was anything more than just a goofy, kid-friendly space opera, so people don't resent it for being nothing more than that.
 
People may have also simply not seen Buck Rogers, only having seen the old BSG in the context of being fans of the new program. Like Ron Moore's show or not, it's definitely given one hoary Glen Larson space opera a fresh context.

I liked the dreamy visuals of Season 3, I have never seen TV do anything that fanciful, almost RPG-like.

Those were nice.

In terms of design, I also liked a lot of the first 'season' (basically four TV telefilms) work, particularly the first and last films... which is odd as that stretch is by far the weakest and often most bloody annoying for me out of the series.
 
I suspect that if there was a new, revisionist reboot of BUCK ROGERS that was finding a receptive audience, while being loudly reviled by diehard fans of the original, the old version would be much more controversial--and more of a target for fans of the new version.
 
Those arguments make some sense. I guess I never got too wrapped up in the mine vs yours wars of old vs nuBSG so without that context the backlash seems out-of-place.
 
Those arguments make some sense. I guess I never got too wrapped up in the mine vs yours wars of old vs nuBSG so without that context the backlash seems out-of-place.


Brace yourself. We're probably going to spend the rest of our lives listening to people argue the relative merits of old Trek versus nuTrek . . . . :)
 
I suspect that if there was a new, revisionist reboot of BUCK ROGERS that was finding a receptive audience, while being loudly reviled by diehard fans of the original, the old version would be much more controversial--and more of a target for fans of the new version.
This does make me wonder if there was any friction fans of the series and the Buster Crabbe serial back in fanzines or whatever... frankly, I'm sure if I google it I'm sure I can find some kind of argument like that.

Those arguments make some sense. I guess I never got too wrapped up in the mine vs yours wars of old vs nuBSG so without that context the backlash seems out-of-place.

Brace yourself. We're probably going to spend the rest of our lives listening to people argue the relative merits of old Trek versus nuTrek . . . . :)

Pshaw. I literally grew up on Kirk versus Picard.

Bring it.
 
Outside of Colicos and Greene, BSG had a cast of good-looking people without notable acting talent.
Like Fred Astaire, Lloyd Bridges, Patrick Macnee, Jane Seymour, Anne Lockhart, Jonathan Harris, Loretta Spang, Richard Hatch, Dirk Benedict? No, no notable talent at all. Funny man, Dennis.
 
Outside of Colicos and Greene, BSG had a cast of good-looking people without notable acting talent.
Like Fred Astaire, Lloyd Bridges, Patrick Macnee, Jane Seymour, Anne Lockhart, Jonathan Harris, Loretta Spang, Richard Hatch, Dirk Benedict? No, no notable talent at all. Funny man, Dennis.

To be fair, most of those were guest-stars, not members of the cast.

Heck, they killed off Jane Seymour in the pilot!
 
Close to the pilot -- she died at the end of the first regular episode, a two parter. With the three-part opener, I suppose that's technically a five episode run (although she was scripted -- and perhaps this was shot -- to die at the end of the pilot of a terminal disease, IIRC).
 
Outside of Colicos and Greene, BSG had a cast of good-looking people without notable acting talent.
Like Fred Astaire, Lloyd Bridges, Patrick Macnee, Jane Seymour, Anne Lockhart, Jonathan Harris, Loretta Spang, Richard Hatch, Dirk Benedict? No, no notable talent at all.


Spang? Benedict? Hatch?

Really? :lol:

That the stunt casting of guest stars was sometimes impressive is less arguable. It's a shame that Astaire wasn't brought on to dance. Seymour was certainly tearing up the big screen playing James Bond's "love interest." That said, if you wanted to impress someone you might at least have mentioned Bolger.

Face it - oldBSG is a bit of nostalgic kitsch whose flame's been kept alive by a very small coterie of devoted followers. It was written for kindergartners, performed by a forgettable cast most of whom attacked their parts with all the skill and relish of day players on an afternoon soap of the time. If there had been anything in it to engage an adult's attention for more than a week or two it might have survived beyond a couple of dozen episodes - it's not as if it weren't entirely in the interest of the network that had invested so much money and promotion in it to keep it alive a bit longer.

There's every reason for this thing to be included in a list of potential "worsts."
 
I suspect that if there was a new, revisionist reboot of BUCK ROGERS that was finding a receptive audience, while being loudly reviled by diehard fans of the original, the old version would be much more controversial--and more of a target for fans of the new version.

It's past damn time for that, too. :lol:
 
Award for most ridiculous premise has to go to "Space:1999"

Sure, the basic premise of Space:1999 has what I could charitably call 'dodgy' science (and perhaps more accurately term as 'completely unrelated to anything remotely resembling science'), and any sense of how exactly the Moon is moving through space - apparently shooting off at FTL speeds through the cosmos, slowing down to orbit around a star before whipping off again - does not have even the most slender connection to science.

...but it was still a sort of cool premise.

What?

You get to have your base on the moon series and your flying through space series. Take that cake and eat it, Gerry Anderson, you've earned it.

Well it's made very clear in the first season that it's all going according to some kind of cosmic level plan and that some kind of "cosmic intelligence" is behind it all.

Which I had totally not caught on to, or had forgotten when I watched it as a kid, but was surprised at when I watched them as an adult. So part of the show where you would say "But realistically...." just insert vast cosmic intelligence to explain it away. At least I do, and it works surprisingly well. ;)

Is it still a bit dodgy? Sure. But IIRC nuBSG had a similar "God did it" or "Part of something larger than your ability to understand" vibe (not to mention 3 or at least 2 planet Earths that looked exactly alike). I think I can cut Space:1999 a little slack in that department.

Plus the model work, alien worlds and sense of space being really vast and mysterious were all very well done. Those aspects of the show made a bigger impact on me than Trek's.

Hate to point this out, but Space:1999 DOES NOT deserve to be on the list of worse sci-fi shows post 1964. It was a cool show for its time, and for a pre Star wars era show, that's saying a lot.

If anything the Logan's Run TV Series, the second season of Buck Rogers, Galactica 1980, the Battlestar remake, and Caprica DO BELONG on that list. And I might add DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise, too!
 
Outside of Colicos and Greene, BSG had a cast of good-looking people without notable acting talent.
Like Fred Astaire, Lloyd Bridges, Patrick Macnee, Jane Seymour, Anne Lockhart, Jonathan Harris, Loretta Spang, Richard Hatch, Dirk Benedict? No, no notable talent at all.


Spang? Benedict? Hatch?

Really? :lol:

That the stunt casting of guest stars was sometimes impressive is less arguable. It's a shame that Astaire wasn't brought on to dance. Seymour was certainly tearing up the big screen playing James Bond's "love interest." That said, if you wanted to impress someone you might at least have mentioned Bolger.

Face it - oldBSG is a bit of nostalgic kitsch whose flame's been kept alive by a very small coterie of devoted followers. It was written for kindergartners, performed by a forgettable cast most of whom attacked their parts with all the skill and relish of day players on an afternoon soap of the time. If there had been anything in it to engage an adult's attention for more than a week or two it might have survived beyond a couple of dozen episodes - it's not as if it weren't entirely in the interest of the network that had invested so much money and promotion in it to keep it alive a bit longer.

There's every reason for this thing to be included in a list of potential "worsts."

Bailey, there are times I wonder if you really enjoy sticking an entire shoe store in your mouth, or if you really have to work hard at it.

Obviously, you have no respect for quality family programming.

If there is a list of potential worsts, then RDM's sucky-ass remake of The Greatest Space Epic would definately be on the top of that list.
 
Sure, the basic premise of Space:1999 has what I could charitably call 'dodgy' science (and perhaps more accurately term as 'completely unrelated to anything remotely resembling science'), and any sense of how exactly the Moon is moving through space - apparently shooting off at FTL speeds through the cosmos, slowing down to orbit around a star before whipping off again - does not have even the most slender connection to science.

...but it was still a sort of cool premise.

What?

You get to have your base on the moon series and your flying through space series. Take that cake and eat it, Gerry Anderson, you've earned it.

Well it's made very clear in the first season that it's all going according to some kind of cosmic level plan and that some kind of "cosmic intelligence" is behind it all.

Which I had totally not caught on to, or had forgotten when I watched it as a kid, but was surprised at when I watched them as an adult. So part of the show where you would say "But realistically...." just insert vast cosmic intelligence to explain it away. At least I do, and it works surprisingly well. ;)

Is it still a bit dodgy? Sure. But IIRC nuBSG had a similar "God did it" or "Part of something larger than your ability to understand" vibe (not to mention 3 or at least 2 planet Earths that looked exactly alike). I think I can cut Space:1999 a little slack in that department.

Plus the model work, alien worlds and sense of space being really vast and mysterious were all very well done. Those aspects of the show made a bigger impact on me than Trek's.

Hate to point this out, but Space:1999 DOES NOT deserve to be on the list of worse sci-fi shows post 1964. It was a cool show for its time, and for a pre Star wars era show, that's saying a lot.

If anything the Logan's Run TV Series, the second season of Buck Rogers, Galactica 1980, the Battlestar remake, and Caprica DO BELONG on that list. And I might add DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise, too!

If you really think one of the most critically acclaimed shows of the last decade deserves to be on that list then you are simply not arguing in good faith. Adding ds9 to that list is the absolute worst kind of gray bearding.
 
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