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Worst lines of dialogue in Trek?

"I'm sure you need to get back to your snake pit." - "Sssss."

"Do not refer to me as chancellor, for I deserve a fiercer title. From this point forth, you may call me... MOTHER!!"

"Don't be so binary. In my universe, he was pansexual, and we had DEFCON-level fun together. And you too, Papi."

Until those itchy blister things appeared... :o A real story involving Risa would either do what was done in DS9, or stay on track by having Vanessa Williams escort them to all the vending machines and dispensers for various antivesicants, antibiotics, antiviral agents, and other special liquids, pills, and/or gels to give us all hope that cooties won't ever be an issue in the future. It's hard to deny that dialogue encompassing that would be more intriguing than "Like how the common cold was eradicated"? (there's a line both TNTG and TOS used, except for McCoy it was in the context of how he might cure it... and Wesley or Beverly saying how they, like headaches, don't happen anymore. The level of cheese was remarkable... swiss cheese on the stovetop because it was a holey hot mess...)

"Allamaraine, count to four. Allamaraine, then three more. Allamaraine, if you can see. Allamaraine, you'll come with me." - "Come on! Just say the rhyme." - "Allamaraine, count to four. Allamaraine, then three more. Allamaraine, if you can see. Allamaraine, you'll come with me." - "Allamaraine. Third shap." - "Allamaraine!"

Aw man! I love that line :luvlove: and have boldly gone where nobody sane would dare and to try to defend it... (and still will :devil: In concept it's alien and meant to make the viewer feel uncomfortable...)

The outtake is hilarious: "we drop... shit."

That's a must-see TV event right there. :guffaw:
 
Back then, it meant all people. Just like "for all mankind".
Changing it to "no one" made it incorrect, cause whatever aliens live there, and whatever alien ships traveled there, certainly went there.
ENT finally got it right when they changed it to "no human".

"No one" is better than "no (hu)man" because they're acknowledging that the Federation isn't just some group of humans. It's not perfect, of course, but it is a more universal outlook and fits the TNG era better.

Of course, it's just supposed to be a quote from Zefram Cochrane, who specifically said "where no man has gone before" in Broken Bow and Kirk decided to change it in his log entry at the end of Star Trek VI after spending a movie confronted with his own prejudices and Starfleet being a "Homo sapiens-only club".
 
Another example from The Last Outpost: "PICARD: I understand the allusion. Colours representing countries at a time when they competed with each other. Red, white and blue for the United States. Whereas the French more properly used the same colours in the order of blue, white and red."

Even Patrick Stewart couldn't save that line.

Then, there's every line where the Mary-Sues of Trek (Kirk and Burnham) are praised for no reason. "Court Martial" is a major offender.
 
Nearly all the dialogue in "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield." That wasn't an episode, it was a sermon.
 
Then, there's every line where the Mary-Sues of Trek (Kirk and Burnham) are praised for no reason. "Court Martial" is a major offender.
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I'd love to engage in a measured, intelligent conversation with you about how you figure Kirk as a Mary Sue.

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I look forward to a spirited and cultured debate on that topic!
 
Another example from The Last Outpost: "PICARD: I understand the allusion. Colours representing countries at a time when they competed with each other. Red, white and blue for the United States. Whereas the French more properly used the same colours in the order of blue, white and red."

Even Patrick Stewart couldn't save that line.

Then, there's every line where the Mary-Sues of Trek (Kirk and Burnham) are praised for no reason. "Court Martial" is a major offender.
I think it was supposed to highlight how ridiculous he found the concept of nations represented by colors
 
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I'd love to engage in a measured, intelligent conversation with you about how you figure Kirk as a Mary Sue.

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I look forward to a spirited and cultured debate on that topic!

I didn't use to think so, but a recent rewatch of S1 made me notice.

Think about how the character is portrayed:
- as an exceptional leader (especially in "The Enemy Within"),
- a legendary fighter (seriously, he gets into fisticuffs almost every episode, always triumphs),
- a ladies magnet of Rikeresque proportions.
 
Kirk is an author analogue and an exaggerated action hero. Common then, common now. He has plenty of flaws (his attachment to his ship/job, his issues with women), and he is far from perfect or even overly exceptional in anything except leadership. He relies on his crew to do their jobs, and you don't see him jumping in to relieve Sulu during a delicate maneuver or arguing with Spock over his assessment of a scientific issue.
 
I didn't use to think so, but a recent rewatch of S1 made me notice.

Think about how the character is portrayed:
- as an exceptional leader (especially in "The Enemy Within"),
- a legendary fighter (seriously, he gets into fisticuffs almost every episode, always triumphs),
- a ladies magnet of Rikeresque proportions.

There were entire episodes of season 1 also devoted to his flaws and frailties as a leader.

In "Naked Now" we see his insecurities about his love for command come to the surface.

The entire episode of "Enemy Within" is desiged to show off his deepest inner character flaws and how he needs to fight to balance them as a leader. Not sure how it shows him to be an "amazing leader" by any stretch.

Balance of Terror directly deals with his uncertainty and fears of making major command decisions. He openly admits his insecurities to McCoy.

He needs Spock to convince him of Mitchell's impending and inevitable danger in WNMHGB. He would have stumbled through the situation hopelessly until Gary destroyed the ship otherwise.


In Corbomite Maneuver his command decisions are continuously (and correctly) called out by McCoy as being biased and incorrect when it comes to his treatment of Bailey

In Conscience of the King, he allows his personal feelings and emotions to completely get the better of him.

That's just S1. We are not even getting into episodes like Obsession and the fact that the plots of Star Trek TMP, TWOK, TSFS, and TUC all deal directly with faults or flaws in Captain Kirk and the consequences of them.

Star Trek canonically states repeatedly that starship captains are amongst the best leaders humanity has to offer. Having Kirk be successful and a kick-ass officer doesn't make him a Mary Sue. In fact, the entire basis of Kirk's character is that he is an extremely flawed and human leader who happens to OVERCOME and persevere despite those failings and weaknesses.

That's the opposite of what you're accusing him of being. That's the basis of a realistic and compelling character. A Mary Sue is a character who is devoid of weaknesses and flaws.

Just because the Trek universe at times reveres him and recognizes his accomplishments as an awesome bastard doesn't make him a Mary Sue

That is, respectfully, absolute, inaccurate and unfounded bullshit.

Respectfully, of course.

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And holy shit, if we are talking about squeaky-clean Star Trek characters, I can't figure how KIRK comes up and not Picard. Prior to the recent CBSAA series, Picard was portrayed as a virtual shining paragon of every positive trait and characteristic that humanity might be capable of, to the point of it being sickening. And I still wouldn't even necessarily accuse Picard of being a Mary Sue.

And don't even get me started on Burnham. She's so flawed and fucked up that she started a war, went to prison, screwed up her foster brother and brought an evil dictator into our universe in a moment of weakness.

I'm not sure Mary Sue is the term you're looking for.

If you're looking for average, ho-hum and unremarkable characters, and not Big Damn Heroes in outer space, Fox recently put out a space series that has two seasons you might like better.
 
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Picard's whole point was that he was a man who pondered the ethics of an action before taking it.
As a leader, he always relied on advice from his subordinates (much more than Kirk), he was no action hero (except in Starship Mine and arguably the movies), he was not portrayed to have special charisma...
His attitude to children would not be considered a positive trait, either, especially early on.



By the way: I was only half-serious. I though the part about "Rikeresque" womanizing would've given away the tongue-in-cheekness.
 
Picard was just supposed to be like an older Kirk, literally, in that he grew from Kirk as developed for Star Trek Phase II. We are led to believe, in Season 1, that he had some wild unseen adventures on the Stargazer for decades. TNG was supposed to represent more of an evolved humanity, and Picard more of an evolved Kirk (especially after Roddenberry's disagreements with the direction of the films). Riker, like Phase II Decker before him, was supposed to be recognizable as TOS Kirk, with the evolved Kirk/Picard reigning him in and teaching him better.

All of them are author inserts, which are very common in Star Trek, and might also include Christopher Pike, Robert April, Bob Wesley, Wesley Crusher, Mark Jameson, Gary Mitchell, Gary Seven. And that's just the ones Roddenberry based on himself. Was Behr Sisko? Was Taylor Janeway? Berman Archer? Fuller Stamets?
 
"Don't be so binary. In my universe, he was pansexual, and we had DEFCON-level fun together. And you too, Papi."

That really is a hideous line. I'd say the clear single worst line of the streaming era so far. It's specifically wrong for Star Trek in like 4 different ways.
 
That really is a hideous line. I'd say the clear single worst line of the streaming era so far. It's specifically wrong for Star Trek in like 4 different ways.
She didn't even specify which DEFCON level. Also, why is the Mirror Universe or Prime Universe still using DEFCON?
 
SPOCK: Captain, we could say that Mister Seven and Miss Lincoln have some interesting experiences in store for them.
 
The fantasy spiel from near the end of STP where they try to build up the threat as scary, so scary, you guys.

You know that she carries a horn from a great pale hellbeast called Ganmadan??
 
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