Worst Episode Not Involving Lizard Babies

[Lynx]

Wow, judging from this review "Innocence" is a big pile of balls.

As with GodBen, I don't entirely agree with Sonnenburg/sfdebris reviews, but I agree "Innocence" was as bad as "Threshold" in terms of distorting biological science.

Hmmmmm......that guy does really dislike the show.

As for "Innocence", I can agree with it "distorting biological science" in a way. But I find this episode good. I like the interaction between Tuvok and the kids and the twist in the tale at the end is actually good, despite the obvious flaw when it comes to how those aliens really age.

If I had been the author, I would have come up with some more "circular" llife-cycle, like if they are born as children, then age and then start to age backwards at a certain point, maybe when they are in the ir 50's or so.

Anyway, I like this episode and I'll give it 4 points out of 5. Tuvok singing "Falor's Journey" is actually worth some extra points too.

 

[exodus]

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I don't want to be rude here but I find it har to imagine that it could have looked good on paper. Just too many weird things in it to make sense. If they had added a "this was only a nightmare" scenario, just as in "Projections", then that could have saved it.

I think it depends on how much you take seriously the science in science fiction, I think. For example, we accept a man made of jell-o(Odo) can turn into anything from fire to a rock and never question it. I don't see why we question the science of "Threshold" if we were willing to turn our brains off to how a thing like Odo is alive.

Get what I mean?

I guess I'm one of those that watches Trek for escapist fun. I don't care how the transporter works as long as it does. It wasn't until I became a member here that I had to learn how a replicator works just to hold a debate on how the ship gets repaired.

 

[Lynx]

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I can see your point and I must admit that I had some problems with the transporters myself when I started to watch Star Trek once upon a time. But after a while it was like "oh, it could be possible in the future".

The same for The Doctor actually. When I started to watch Voyager, I regarded him as the only flaw in a series I immediately started to like. I thought "a moving picture who can act and almost is like a living being, nah that's too much over the top".

But it didn't take long before I accepted it, mostly because I took a liking to the character too. Just watch him shrinking in "Parallax" and the scene in sickbay with Kes and Neelix when he speaks about "being on a voyage of the damned" and you'll understand why all my objections against the character went out of the window.

I guess the point with "Threshold" was that it was too many events in it which were over-done, just too many unrealistic events (even when it comes to Star Trek).

I don't think it's a good episode but it's not as horrible as it's often described as. If I put on my "this was just a nightmare" filter, then I can watch it with some pleasure. After all, there are some funny scenes in it.

There are episodes which are much worse and which I can't watch or appreciate even if I try to create some "this didn't really happen" filter in my brain.

 

[exodus]

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I can see your point and I must admit that I had some problems with the transporters myself when I started to watch Star Trek once upon a time. But after a while it was like "oh, it could be possible in the future".

The same for The Doctor actually. When I started to watch Voyager, I regarded him as the only flaw in a series I immediately started to like. I thought "a moving picture who can act and almost is like a living being, nah that's too much over the top".

But it didn't take long before I accepted it, mostly because I took a liking to the character too. Just watch him shrinking in "Parallax" and the scene in sickbay with Kes and Neelix when he speaks about "being on a voyage of the damned" and you'll understand why all my objections against the character went out of the window.

I guess the point with "Threshold" was that it was too many events in it which were over-done, just too many unrealistic events (even when it comes to Star Trek).

I don't think it's a good episode but it's not as horrible as it's often described as. If I put on my "this was just a nightmare" filter, then I can watch it with some pleasure. After all, there are some funny scenes in it.

There are episodes which are much worse and which I can't watch or appreciate even if I try to create some "this didn't really happen" filter in my brain.

I don't know, watching Tom Paris pull out his own tongue makes it worth while for me.

 

[Lynx]

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Now that scene was funny!

 

[exodus]

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Now that scene was funny!

See.

 

[TedShatner10]

Wow, judging from this review "Innocence" is a big pile of balls.

As with GodBen, I don't entirely agree with Sonnenburg/sfdebris reviews, but I agree "Innocence" was as bad as "Threshold" in terms of distorting biological science.

Hmmmmm......that guy does really dislike the show.

Yes and no, he was pretty favourable of episodes like "The Thaw", "Dark Frontier", "Message in a Bottle", and "Pathfinder".

 

[exodus]

Wow, judging from this review "Innocence" is a big pile of balls.

As with GodBen, I don't entirely agree with Sonnenburg/sfdebris reviews, but I agree "Innocence" was as bad as "Threshold" in terms of distorting biological science.

Hmmmmm......that guy does really dislike the show.

Yes and no, he was pretty favourable of episodes like "The Thaw", "Dark Frontier", "Message in a Bottle", and "Pathfinder".

Since when does a dude posting on YouTube become a respectable authority to critique Star Trek? If that's the case, then we all can be.

 

[JB2005]

^ Because people listen to him i guess, I've been through some of his reviews, he does tend to be insightful and entertaining...

 

[exodus]

^ Because people listen to him i guess, I've been through some of his reviews, he does tend to be insightful and entertaining...

I've listened to a few of them, I couldn't continue.

I'm a little disturbed by his warped views and a far too passionate hatered of Neelix. He goes way, way overboard in some of his ideas.

He's got a creepy factor. Like being 45, single with Star Trek sheets on the bed.

No offence, my friend but as you can tell.
No much of a fan.
No, not so much.

 

[teya]

He's got a creepy factor. Like being 45, single with Star Trek sheets on the bed.

And here I felt like a total dweeb because I went to see the new film 8 times.

And bought the magazine.

 

[john titor]

The one where Chakotay is a boxer. Hmmm, endgame, actually any episode involving the borg or species 8472 which was basically an alien rip off---high pitched screeching proto insectoid aliens and the episode were they decided to make them all fluffy in the star fleet academy setting was idiocy.

 

[TedShatner10]

Since when does a dude posting on YouTube become a respectable authority to critique Star Trek? If that's the case, then we all can be.

Since when does posting on a talk forum makes you have definitive opinion anyway? Although you've just said what I said more differently.

I don't agree with all of his reviews and his viewpoints are not necessarily popular, as vocal as he is about them, but he has more credibility and fairness than say, ConfusedMatthew.