Wormhole and White Hole Theory

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  1. Dryson

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    White Holes are thought to be the opposite of a Black Hole, in so much that a White Hole ejects matter at the speed of light into the Universe instead of consuming matter.

    The video depicts a white hole and black hole interacting. But what a wormhole interacting with a white hole, what would happen? A wormhole connects to numerous points of space-time along its axis. Therefore a wormhole can transport you a few million kilometers or a few hundred thousand light years, which would be based on your orbital insertion point and then your exit point.

    Theoretically, since a wormhole cannot be destroyed but would simply dissipate over time, if a wormhole interacted with a white hole, the matter or energy being added to the wormhole coming from the white hole would cause the wormhole to expand due to the energy being added. The energy and matter inside of the wormhole would then escape the wormhole at random trajectories at distances of 10 million km up to 100,000 light years when the worm hole and white hole were only 1 million km apart.. See the image below:
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    Now, we take the concept above and add in a very interesting variable, two Universes.

    Universe one has a white hole and wormhole close to the edge of its Universe. Since a wormhole can occupy space-time outside of the Universe, when the matter from the white hole enters into the wormhole, the wormhole begins to expand for as long as the white hole is adding matter and energy to it. Therefore a wormhole could extend into the Void of Space, the outside of the Universe at great distances, even up 100 trillion light years from the wormholes point origin.

    The energy from the white hole, escaping at various exit points along the axis of the worm hole , would create small pockets of energy and matter that most likely wouldn't last very long due to no gravity being present. But if enough energy and matter built up at one exit point, the what we might have would be called the Big Bang.

    When the white hole begins to move away from the wormhole, the wormhole would gradually shrink in size back to its original size that would effectively cut off the energy and matter being dumped into the new Universe that is slowly forming. Science has proven that for a few seconds after the Big Bang that matter traveled faster than the speed of light, which can be theoretically explained as part of the wormhole mechanic that allows FTL travel had to be present before the white hole moved out of range of the wormhole causing the connection between both Universes to collapse as the wormhole shrank to its original size.

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  2. Silvercrest

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    Congratulations! More gibberish! WOO-HOO! :beer:
     
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  3. StarCruiser

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    "Ejects matter into the universe at the speed of light..." Wha...? Any matter has mass, anything with mass cannot travel AT lightspeed - period.
     
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  4. Silvercrest

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    I know, isn't it great? He gets it wrong from the very first line! :beer:
     
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  5. Tenacity

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    I thought it was that space itself was expanding "FTL," not that matter was moving FTL
     
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  6. Asbo Zaprudder

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    Pointless to expect any kind of debate - the originator's postings in this thread and similar seem to be strictly write-only.
     
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  7. XCV330

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    Honestly considering the damage he does to the idea of science on this forum, I don't know why he is allowed to remain.
     
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  8. Qonundrum

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    Another science show got to the definition first... I think I found the clip:


     
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  9. Silvercrest

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    Sorry, please clarify.
    • Was the Red Dwarf clip meant to clarify the concept of a white hole?
    • Or was it meant to illustrate a repetitive discussion where half the dialogue is gibberish, the originator doesn't listen to the responses, and no one is wiser when it's over?
    Surprisingly, either of those would be on-topic.
     
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  10. StarCruiser

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    Yep - a little from column A and a little from column B!

    (Love the old Red Dwarf...)
     
  11. Asbo Zaprudder

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    GIGO

    On the subject of random spouting, I'd like to think I first came up with the idea of /dev/random in 1993 as an obvious counterpart to /dev/null and /dev/zero but I never got round to implementing it. Theodore Ts'o did that in '94.
     
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    I’ve heard it said that perhaps other universes bud off from black holes giving the compression needed for a monobloc or something.

    If true, then the multiverse is diesel;)
     
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  13. Dryson

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    Can wormholes, which are unexplained as how they form, be the reason how quantum particles are distributed across hundreds of trillions of light years in basically a bulk packet of particles?

    Could the reason why we cant see energy on the outside of our Universe be explained as our Universe existing inside of a wormhole?

    A wormhole that is expanding but never encounters new matter on the outside of the Universe?
     
  14. Silvercrest

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    Gibberish!
     
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    Or as the Brits might say - "Bullocks"!
     
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  17. Dryson

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    Based on the movie Interstellar, time increased dramatically back on Earth. Every minute on Miller's planet was something like 10 years back on Earth. I think what they did with the time mechanics is that once the ship left the wormhole the distance traveled at the speed of light to the planet was added to the aging process of people back home. We also see Romilly age 23 years as well within only a few million kilometres from Miller's planet as well. But what we don't see are Cooper and Brand instantly aging once they return.

    Millers planet must have been inside the zone of the black hole where time speeds up around the planet exponentially while time remains the same for the crew of the Ranger that is based on Earth time, which makes no sense at all. They didn't lose or gain any time as they traveled through the wormhole because a wormhole resides outside of normal Einstein space-time, they merely covered a very large distance in less time.

    If anything time would have stayed the same on Earth when they excited the wormhole instead of increasing. Due to the wormhole having been created in the local space-time of the Sol System, the expedition was protected from the aging effects. But what aging effects? If a wormhole keeps local space time ticking inside of the wormhole, then the wormhole is an extension of that localized space-time and would not change.

    The fact that the aging process back on Earth started to rapidly increase once they left the wormhole does not make sense either because the expedition would merely have crossed space and time from the Earth to their exit point at much faster rate velocity than light speed while the wormhole maintained the same localized space time as the Sol System.

    Just because a person travels through a wormhole at faster than the speed of light does not mean that localized space time at the exit point somehow causes a rapid acceleration of time and aging at the entry point in the Sol System.

    If anything the wormhole would have been created by the black hole as an anomaly of interactions that one of the planets was the focal point of with the rest of the planets residing is some type of residual field of the wormhole that would shield the planet from falling into the black hole which would then put the planet in the same localized space-time of the Sol System.

    If you take a wormhole that only takes you 30 seconds to travel 2,500 light years, for example, there is no time dilation on the other end of the wormhole once you exit the wormhole. Light from the Sun that left the Sun in the Sol System the moment you crossed into the wormhole would still be traveling to the point 2,500 light years away.
    Light from our Sun that would be seen at the exit point however would be from a point in time 2,500 years in Earth past.

    A wormhole could be what happens when a black hole has too much mass and for some reason an aspect of the core of the black is ejected into space-time.

    I would also have to say that the immense waves on Millers planet were not caused by Gargantuan but by the wormhole itself as the waves were being pulled toward the wormhole and not towards the black, which the black hole would have stripped the planet of its water without the wormhole shielding the planet or planets.

    Why is it said that an object, a ship, cannot travel faster than the speed of light?

    Tonight I took a photo of Shaula / Lesath through my telescope. Shaula is 702.59 ly from Earth. What I found out is that Shaular is moving towards our own sun in a near straight path at 3 kilometres per second.

    Moving towards us at 3 kilometres a second got me to thinking. If stars of all mass are moving towards and away from each other at the same time. With all of that mass of all of the suns in the Universe moving in different directions and at different velocities, the pull on space-time would cause Einsteins seemingly perfect representation of space-time to to ebb in all directions and velocities at once.

    A vessel traveling close to light speed and faster velocities would encounter Solar Ebb. Solar Ebb is the pull and push space-time as a result of gravity generated by more than one sun moving through space - time. The ebbs are much like that on an ocean. Sometimes the waves are small and almost non-existent, but always there, while other times the waves are very large.
    Solar Ebbs are constantly present in the Universe, except in places like the Cold Spot. The large and small ebbs create a constant push and pull on space-time that causes atoms to stretch and compress very slightly that causes the atom to lose a portion of its energy if not atomic structure. Elements in another galaxy could be very different then here on Earth as a result of how the suns created Solar Ebb during the formation of the galaxy.
    Solar Ebbs would push and pull on the atoms of an object, ever so slightly, causing the atom to lose some of its energy. As a result, the faster that the object travels towards light speed and faster causes the atom to contract and expand rapidly. So rapidly that the atom would actually flip its entirely different atomic structure. Since most of material in the object would be steal, the atoms would become so heavy as a result of the atom occupying the same space-time as other atoms energy is transferred between atoms to create mirrored versions, then there would be nearly an infinite number of iron atoms, for example, present as Solar Ebb would cause the atoms of iron to occupy spaces in between other iron atoms.

    I still think FTL is possible, a process would need to be developed to cancel out Solar Ebb in the material being used while still being able to provide gravity for people to walk around inside as if they were on Earth.
     
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